White Sox promoting Wikelman González

[PaleAleSox]

2 hours ago, champagne030 said:

I thought Getz's boy wonder, Ben Hansen, fixed all of this with his genius biomechanics studies?

This is a league wide issue. It's why you need as much pitching as possible. The Dodgers, who we all envy, were missing like 8 starters at some point.

[Lip Man 1]

33 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

This is a league wide issue. It's why you need as much pitching as possible. The Dodgers, who we all envy, were missing like 8 starters at some point.

And they are still one of the best teams in baseball...must be nice.

If Varland, Perez and Martin all eventually go under the surgeons knife that will make a total of nine White Sox pitchers having TJS since this spring.

Wow. 

[Timmy U]

30 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

And they are still one of the best teams in baseball...must be nice.

If Varland, Perez and Martin all eventually go under the surgeons knife that will make a total of nine White Sox pitchers having TJS since this spring.

Wow. 

Varland is pitching in the ACL, so he's trending in the right direction. Otherwise, this team is at a pretty low ebb. Lose 8 in a row, most of them close, and lose a bunch of SP.

[Y2Jimmy0]

3 hours ago, champagne030 said:

I thought Getz's boy wonder, Ben Hansen, fixed all of this with his genius biomechanics studies?

Ben Hansen hasn’t worked for the Sox in years. Try to keep up. 

[champagne030]

32 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Ben Hansen hasn’t worked for the Sox in years. Try to keep up. 

Same s%*# different day.  Getz plants his flag on Hansen and when that failed he planted his flag on Gearhart, who doesn't seem to be doing any better.

[Y2Jimmy0]

58 minutes ago, champagne030 said:

Same s%*# different day.  Getz plants his flag on Hansen and when that failed he planted his flag on Gearhart, who doesn't seem to be doing any better.

Aaron Trunt is the White Sox biomechanist and he's doing great work. Do you have an issue with using biomechanics? 

[WestEddy]

3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

And they are still one of the best teams in baseball...must be nice.

If Varland, Perez and Martin all eventually go under the surgeons knife that will make a total of nine White Sox pitchers having TJS since this spring.

Wow. 

And then if another 41 White Sox pitchers get TJL, that would make an even 50. Math is fun!!

[Lip Man 1]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And then if another 41 White Sox pitchers get TJL, that would make an even 50. Math is fun!!

As incompetent as this organization appears to be in all areas, it wouldn't totally shock me to read a bunch of other pitchers having serious health issues.

[WestEddy]

9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

As incompetent as this organization appears to be in all areas, it wouldn't totally shock me to read a bunch of other pitchers having serious health issues.

A guy who dabbles in actual journalism but constantly makes up and pumps out nonsense because he has an undying hatred for JR strikes me as a contradiction. Or maybe incompetence?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Ben Hansen hasn’t worked for the Sox in years. Try to keep up. 

And yet it got 2 likes. Even if he got the name right it's still a ridiculously stupid post that only you had the guts to say anything about . 

No one can prevent injuries in human arms when there's constant stress that throwing a baseball requires and certaining not biomechanic guys. It just shows a gross ignorance of the purpose of biomechanics while somehow acting like  biomechanics is a bad thing and Getz trying to modernize is a waste of time.

This place is so toxic . 

Edited June 21 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[WestEddy]

28 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And yet it got 2 likes. Even if he got the name right it's still a ridiculously stupid post that only you had the guts to say anything about . 

No one can prevent injuries in human arms when there's constant stress that throwing a baseball requires and certaining not biomechanic guys. It just shows a gross ignorance of the purpose of biometrics while somehow acting like  biomechanics is a bad thing and Getz trying to modernize is a waste of time.

This place is so toxic . 

Grown men swearing they'll never be happy until an old man they never met dies.

[ptatc]

7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Forearm strain for Martin is concerning 

Yes it is.

[Y2Jimmy0]

White Sox are expecting to Martin to return after the 15 days is up fwiw 

[ptatc]

11 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

White Sox are expecting to Martin to return after the 15 days is up fwiw 

Let's hope. While not all forearm strains involve an underlying UCL issue. Many do.

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

A guy who dabbles in actual journalism but constantly makes up and pumps out nonsense because he has an undying hatred for JR strikes me as a contradiction. Or maybe incompetence?

I've been called a lot worse by better individuals so your words bother me not an iota. 

I don't hate JR, have met him twice, we've exchanged nice letters. I hate what he has done to this franchise.  

Regarding my profession I can separate my duties and responsibilities in those areas with my fandom. They aren't connected.

Edited June 21 by Lip Man 1

[Timmy U]

Pretty good debut for Wikelman. The stuff looks legit. Tough on the debut to come out for another inning. Wonder if they’re gonna give him some run.

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

A guy who dabbles in actual journalism but constantly makes up and pumps out nonsense because he has an undying hatred for JR strikes me as a contradiction. Or maybe incompetence?

Stop personally attacking other posters.

No reply needed.

[kitekrazy]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And yet it got 2 likes. Even if he got the name right it's still a ridiculously stupid post that only you had the guts to say anything about . 

No one can prevent injuries in human arms when there's constant stress that throwing a baseball requires and certaining not biomechanic guys. It just shows a gross ignorance of the purpose of biomechanics while somehow acting like  biomechanics is a bad thing and Getz trying to modernize is a waste of time.

This place is so toxic . 

This is a league problem.  No team is immune.  It can be researched all day and 1000 theories develop.  It's like trying to cure cancer

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

As incompetent as this organization appears to be in all areas, it wouldn't totally shock me to read a bunch of other pitchers having serious health issues.

@Lip Man 1, your writing and historical/factual information on the White Sox is always appreciated.  Don’t worry about what others say.

Ironically, we just had a recent White Sox player Clint Frazier along with AJ Pierzynksi share stories about how dysfunctional the White Sox organization is.  Their first-hand stories as actual Sox players stretched from 2006 all the way to 2023.  Those stories provided by two players “in the know” trump any random Sox fan’s statements.

For anyone to argue your point is pure hilarity.  Someone is definitely incompetent but it isn’t you…

Edited June 21 by WhiteSox2023

[kitekrazy]

6 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

And they are still one of the best teams in baseball...must be nice.

If Varland, Perez and Martin all eventually go under the surgeons knife that will make a total of nine White Sox pitchers having TJS since this spring.

Wow. 

Winning and losing are habits. 

[champagne030]

11 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And yet it got 2 likes. Even if he got the name right it's still a ridiculously stupid post that only you had the guts to say anything about . 

No one can prevent injuries in human arms when there's constant stress that throwing a baseball requires and certaining not biomechanic guys. It just shows a gross ignorance of the purpose of biomechanics while somehow acting like  biomechanics is a bad thing and Getz trying to modernize is a waste of time.

This place is so toxic . 

Nobody suggested having a biomechanist was a bad thing and especially not "modernizing".  The point was Getz hires a new one every year to replace someone who was touted as an upgrade.  And nobody suggested it was only arms.  We've had a ton of soft tissue injuries too.  Maybe these guys' studies provide great data and the training staff doesn't know how to implement the data.  Maybe the data shows that Taylor's extension is more likely to lead to injury than not, although there plenty of anecdotal evidence that may not be true.  Who knows why we've had so many injuries (of all varieties), but something isn't working somewhere.  Maybe Herm just got lucky all those years.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

18 hours ago, champagne030 said:

I thought Getz's boy wonder, Ben Hansen, fixed all of this with his genius biomechanics studies?

Ironically enough, the last team to get arm maintence right was the White Sox and they were mocked ruthlessly for it. Reserve max effort for big situations, tone done velo, develop and rely on change/slower slider.

Very few peoples arms are built to throw 96-99 MPH all the time. Its not the off speed. Its not the pitch count. It's not the innings pitched. Its not arm angle or extension. Its max effort velocity. Its people building velocity that their arms wouldn't normally produce. It has a cascading effect too because then guys who throw 91 feel they have to throw 94 and they're over throwing too.

You should grow into velocity - meaning throwing 93-94 tops in youth/high school ball and as your body grows and develops you build and add with it. I wouldn't draft a single kid who threw 98+ in high school. 

The Dodgers dont believe they can fix this so they have stocked up on arms to play the numbers.

Edited June 21 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

12 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And yet it got 2 likes. Even if he got the name right it's still a ridiculously stupid post that only you had the guts to say anything about . 

No one can prevent injuries in human arms when there's constant stress that throwing a baseball requires and certaining not biomechanic guys. It just shows a gross ignorance of the purpose of biomechanics while somehow acting like  biomechanics is a bad thing and Getz trying to modernize is a waste of time.

This place is so toxic . 

Can either of you help me understand the great work the Biomechanics group is doing? I'm surprised to hear that limiting injury isnt one of the goals of the biomechanics department/team. I agree its not the only function, but id expext it to be a component.

A lot of people doing great work in the organization, it sounds like. 

[ptatc]

Iwas talking with some friends last night and we came up with a new hypothesis that I think one of them will turn into a research project with his MLB team. 

Many teams are using the biomechanics team as proactive where they see an issue an can work to change the mechanics of a pitcher in season. What if those changes are making the muscles work differently enough that they becoming fatigued quicker and causing the injuries?

Changing mechanics in the off season when the muscles have time to adapt is one thing. But what if changing in the season while they are still pitching a full load is too fast of a change and the muscles dont have time to adapt?

I have no idea if it is the reason but it makes some physiologic sense. Should be a good study if the team will go for it.

Edited June 21 by ptatc

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Can either of you help me understand the great work the Biomechanics group is doing? I'm surprised to hear that limiting injury isnt one of the goals of the biomechanics department/team. I agree its not the only function, but id expext it to be a component.

A lot of people doing great work in the organization, it sounds like. 

Limiting injuries and pitching efficiency and effectiveness are the 3 primary goals of biomechanical analysis. However, the teams focus on the pitching effectiveness first efficiency 2nd and injuries last.