Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 30 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: It's all based on Miller holding up as a starter for 4-5 innings per game. See Garrett Crochet gamble. Pretty skeptical miller can start and if he can, hes not crochet. This just tells me the Sox could have cleaned up even more if they held garrett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, joejoesox said: I remember when no top 100 prospects were traded at the deadline last year,and people said it was the end of top prospects being traded that lasted all of 1 off season Preller dealt four Top 30-35 guys for Juan Soto....Gore Abrams Wood Hassell, and another 85-100 in Susana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, joejoesox said: I remember when no top 100 prospects were traded at the deadline last year,and people said it was the end of top prospects being traded that lasted all of 1 off season Always the fun of reading too much into a short term trend. We saw a bunch moved this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Pretty skeptical miller can start and if he can, hes not crochet. This just tells me the Sox could have cleaned up even more if they held garrett. Didn't you just say this wasn't an impressive return? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Pretty skeptical miller can start and if he can, hes not crochet. This just tells me the Sox could have cleaned up even more if they held garrett. Still couldn't get Campbell Mayer Anthony...Red Sox might have rushed Kristian. Edited July 31 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Preller dealt four Top 30-35 guys for Juan Soto....Gore Abrams Wood Hassell, and another 85-100 in Susana. that was in the off season, but yeah that strengthens my point, top 100 prospects are never gonna be off limits if the return is good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 45 minutes ago, wegner said: I'm very jealous of that Padres farm system....every year they have guys valuable enough to trade and somehow they just keep restocking to do it all again next season. The Padres are basically a somewhat successful version of what Kenny and Rick wanted for the Sox. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, Tony said: The Padres are basically a somewhat successful version of what Kenny and Rick wanted for the Sox. Yeah Preller is basically Kenny with an actual farm system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Pretty skeptical miller can start and if he can, hes not crochet. This just tells me the Sox could have cleaned up even more if they held garrett. For this year, also, they prefer Miller to Suarez closing... Suarez on paper looks great but getting increasingly expensive and close to elite but just has massive meltdowns 10-12% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, chw42 said: Yeah Preller is basically Kenny with an actual farm system. Past tense...but it worked from 2019-2025 to get them in a spot for 4 postseasons out of 6. Last year they very nearly knocked out one of the best teams in recent history in the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, Tony said: The Padres are basically a somewhat successful version of what Kenny and Rick wanted for the Sox. That strategy relies on a few stars. Once Machado fades and or Tatis gets hurt it wont work so well as sooner or later the farm won't have the capital to keep refreshing the MLB roster and the below replacement holes will grow faster than the stars can make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: That strategy relies on a few stars. Once Machado fades and or Tatis gets hurt it wont work so well as sooner or later the farm won't have the capital to keep refreshing the MLB roster and the below replacement holes will grow faster than the stars can make it up. Yeah, they are like a start up running out of runway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I mean this conflicts with your FGs trade value posts! For all we know teams feed disinformation as much as their honest thoughts to the industry and media. As I referenced there, I wouldn't really take to much credence in a guy being exactly #15 for example. I more-so review that tool to see if a player has increased or decreased value perceptually YoY across the league, but where they sit on an individual team board is so relative to that teams situation and their organizational strengths. For example, I know several teams wouldn't have an 18 year old that low in the farm in their top 5 because the risk associated with the time-to-majors is substantial. Look at former top prospect, within the same farm, Salas who people had "consensus in the top 10 prospect" just a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Didn't you just say this wasn't an impressive return? Where did I say that? I said it was a nice deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Nice deal. Prospects are so overrated by market and fans these days it's insane. Cost controlled talent with years of service is the only way for many teams to compete. Edited July 31 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Yeah, they are like a start up running out of runway. It could have worked if Bogaerts remained a stud hitter and Musgrove didn't get hurt. Darvish is just barely hanging on, but Jackson Merrill and the addition of Luis Arraez really gave them a huge boost last season. Not just Tatis and Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Where did I say that? I said it was a nice deal. Well you also downgraded prospect values in two straight posts, so it kind of sounded like it was a good deal the non-prospect way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 24 minutes ago, Tony said: The Padres are basically a somewhat successful version of what Kenny and Rick wanted for the Sox. Sure, because their ownership will spend, and the Sox wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 14 minutes ago, ptatc said: Cost controlled talebt with years of service is the only way for many teams to compete. "Hello Padres' fans - A's fan here. Mason Miller is a very good pitcher, and there is a world in which y'all could come out ahead IF Miller stays healthy and IF he succeeds as a starting pitcher. TOR arms don't grow on trees, and he has the potential to be that. However, chances are, he ends up being a top 5-10 closer, as he was last year, and as he has been sometimes this year outside of a rough patch earlier this year." Still have Miller 4 1/2 years...I think Preller has learned from Hader and now Suarez to go cheaper at this spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Sure, because their ownership will spend, and the Sox wouldn't. Have cut from $350 million all the way down to $185-190 million assuming Cease and Suarez both go...after the death of Peter Seidler. $145 million is basically the bottom threshold now to be legitimate competitive if everything breaks right for mid market teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Have cut from $350 million all the way down to $185-190 million assuming Cease and Suarez both go...after the death of Peter Seidler. $145 million is basically the bottom threshold now to be legitimate competitive if everything breaks right for mid market teams. If our budget for next year was 145 or hell even 135, I'd feel really good about making the playoffs. We've got alot of exciting young pre-arb players and prolly two LHP coming up at some point after they refine some things. If they got a good CF thats a reasonably good hitter, good corner OF, another solid IF bat and a solid #3 SP we could do damage. Ofcourse it will prolly be around 80m in total payroll... Edited July 31 by SoCalChiSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Sure, because their ownership will spend, and the Sox wouldn't. SD has been around 5th to 10th in payroll during the Machado and Tatis era. That's pretty similar to where the Sox were during their stars and scrubs era. I just don't think it's sustainable for anybody other than maybe NY or LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: SD has been around 5th to 10th in payroll during the Machado and Tatis era. That's pretty similar to where the Sox were during their stars and scrubs era. I just don't think it's sustainable for anybody other than maybe NY or LA. They would actually sign a superstar contract. The Sox refuse to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They would actually sign a superstar contract. The Sox refuse to. Eh, I know it seems a long ass time ago but the Sox took on some payroll back then. They straight up claimed Alex Rios and took on 60 million for example. They'd never do anything like that recently tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 13 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Eh, I know it seems a long ass time ago but the Sox took on some payroll back then. They straight up claimed Alex Rios and took on 60 million for example. They'd never do anything like that recently tho. I thought that was a great move at the time. The Sox got a 28-year old RF for money only. He was pretty damn good in 2010 and especially in 2012. Edited July 31 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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