Getz 2025 Grade: your vote matters.

[Timmy U]

I think when considering the Sox farm system, rankings tell very little of the story. Rankings try to combine two really different things: high-end talent and depth. Of the two I think high-end talent is way more important unless you do a lot of prospect for salary trades like the Yankees do. The Sox have very good (not great) high-end talent. They do not have good depth. Their system would be much more highly rated had they drafted Konnor Griffin as the scouts wanted. But if you look at their 8th and 9th ranked guys, they are better than most systems. They issue is that they're top top guys slightly underperformed this year so instead of 65 at the top, they have like 8 55's and a 50. Those are all potential major league regulars, which is pretty darn good. Add that to the young guys they already have in mlb, you can start to see a corps developing. Now, they are likely to add a Top 5 pick in a deep draft. Also, there are several young players who may rise in the coming year. Fauske could be viewed very differently 12 months from now, for instance. Put all that together and there is definitely reason to be optimistic even if systems like the Brewers have even more reasons to be optimistic.

[WestEddy]

There's a lot of debate of Getz now vs. Getz when he ran the organization through Hahn and KW. Here's Caden Conner talking about the difference between Getz vs. Machiavellian Getz:

add: he also talks some around 10:30 about talking to vets on various teams. 

 

Edited October 8 by WestEddy

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Still a lot of hurt feelings among those giving out F's. Biggest reason it's an F is 102 losses and failure to heed the "forget 2024" caveat.The OP said asking for that was a fools errand.  

The last rebuilt was built around everyone calling it a rebuild and most were in favor of it so they accepted the losses and growing pains . Hahn actually spent too much on the 25 man roster during the rebuild and the Sox competed well enough to never get a top 1 or 2 pick like the Astros did a couple of times. Hahn had a lot of years to build infrastructure but if he did he never got any results. Nothing from the DR accept a guy he got fleeced on. As a matter of fact Hahn sabotaged  his own rebuild. Look at the WAR produced by both Tatis Jr. and Marcus Semien between 2019-2021 which turned out to be the years the Sox needed them most. 2021 especially when they both put up monster WAR totals. 

It sucks it all fell apart so quickly.It also sucks JR is currently planning the team to be sold and making sure his heirs aren't stuck with a lot of debt or taxes. But we wanted him to sell an we're lucky the Ishbias are very wealthy and some of you now crying will get to see a new owner who likely will try to make the Sox into a team Chicago deserves. 

The arrow is pointing up if you have the patience to wait for the calvary to arrive. Maybe by the time the Ishbias take over the team will be hovering somehere around .500 or better. The farm system could be back in the top 10 after the next draft. 

But it'll probably be a lean few years but the new DR Academy is due to open in 2026 and some of you may be around in 10 years to see Braston Basker play in a White Sox uniform and recall that we 1st heard of him in 2025 .  That's already a future $6M spent out of Isbias 2030 pocket ! 

[southsider2k5]

21 hours ago, Timmy U said:

I think when considering the Sox farm system, rankings tell very little of the story. Rankings try to combine two really different things: high-end talent and depth. Of the two I think high-end talent is way more important unless you do a lot of prospect for salary trades like the Yankees do. The Sox have very good (not great) high-end talent. They do not have good depth. Their system would be much more highly rated had they drafted Konnor Griffin as the scouts wanted. But if you look at their 8th and 9th ranked guys, they are better than most systems. They issue is that they're top top guys slightly underperformed this year so instead of 65 at the top, they have like 8 55's and a 50. Those are all potential major league regulars, which is pretty darn good. Add that to the young guys they already have in mlb, you can start to see a corps developing. Now, they are likely to add a Top 5 pick in a deep draft. Also, there are several young players who may rise in the coming year. Fauske could be viewed very differently 12 months from now, for instance. Put all that together and there is definitely reason to be optimistic even if systems like the Brewers have even more reasons to be optimistic.

I think if you compare the two most recent rebuilds, the previous rebuild was front loaded with a lot of potential superstar talent which is why the rankings were at the top of almost everyone's lists.  The quickest way to rebuild is to have superstars in your system.  I think with this rebuild the guys who have the best chance being top talent, have also shown some pretty big flaws (or are still super young).  Whether it is injuries, or performance issues, or some combination of both, those top guys have a lot of asterisk's after their names.

I will say I think that this rebuild seems be generating more depth.  Even during the previous rebuild, I was setting off the alarm of how few position players we had in place throughout the system.  We didn't develop any basic players.  This rebuild is already generating guys in the 0-1 WAR crowd.  Now those aren't the guys that you get to the playoffs with, but when guys have injuries, you can plug them in without disaster.  They make good utility players to give guys days off.  Most importantly for a team with payroll issues, if you are churning out guys like this, you aren't wasting $3 to $5 million a person to bring in guys off of the street to do these jobs.

The Sox problem to this point is if you are going to make up the 30 games that we need to make up to get to the playoffs, we need a system that outperforms the team in front of us to gain games.  I know the Twins are mid-collapse, but we have a ton of work to do to catch up with teams like Detroit and Cleveland.  We need some stars.  We need Colson to be the guy he was for most of his time in Chicago, and not the guy he was for a lot of the season in Charlotte.  We need Hagen and Dutch to be those guys in the front of a rotation, and not a reliever like Grant Taylor.

I keep saying, but the Sox need a top 2 pick really, really badly.

 

 

[Timmy U]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I keep saying, but the Sox need a top 2 pick really, really badly.

Luckily for the Sox, the top of this draft is really deep. I would be happy with any of the top 4 guys: Cholowsky, Emerson, Lombard, or Spangler. Plus, Curiel, Burress, and Lebron could all up their stock. Sox should get someone really good no matter how the lottery turns out.

Edited October 9 by Timmy U

[Dick Allen]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I think if you compare the two most recent rebuilds, the previous rebuild was front loaded with a lot of potential superstar talent which is why the rankings were at the top of almost everyone's lists.  The quickest way to rebuild is to have superstars in your system.  I think with this rebuild the guys who have the best chance being top talent, have also shown some pretty big flaws (or are still super young).  Whether it is injuries, or performance issues, or some combination of both, those top guys have a lot of asterisk's after their names.

I will say I think that this rebuild seems be generating more depth.  Even during the previous rebuild, I was setting off the alarm of how few position players we had in place throughout the system.  We didn't develop any basic players.  This rebuild is already generating guys in the 0-1 WAR crowd.  Now those aren't the guys that you get to the playoffs with, but when guys have injuries, you can plug them in without disaster.  They make good utility players to give guys days off.  Most importantly for a team with payroll issues, if you are churning out guys like this, you aren't wasting $3 to $5 million a person to bring in guys off of the street to do these jobs.

The Sox problem to this point is if you are going to make up the 30 games that we need to make up to get to the playoffs, we need a system that outperforms the team in front of us to gain games.  I know the Twins are mid-collapse, but we have a ton of work to do to catch up with teams like Detroit and Cleveland.  We need some stars.  We need Colson to be the guy he was for most of his time in Chicago, and not the guy he was for a lot of the season in Charlotte.  We need Hagen and Dutch to be those guys in the front of a rotation, and not a reliever like Grant Taylor.

I keep saying, but the Sox need a top 2 pick really, really badly.

 

 

Apparently the 2026 draft has a no brainer #1 pick. It's time the lottery goes their way 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

13 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Still a lot of hurt feelings among those giving out F's.

The team was the worst team in the American League. I don't think feelings have anything to do with an F grade for an F performance. 

Also, Ishbia is taking over in 4 years at the earliest, and you're "hoping" they're hovering around .500 by then. Sounds like a lot of F's still to come then. The cavalry from the 17th ranked farm system is on their way to save the 31st ranked MLB club.

Edited October 9 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Bob Sacamano]

13 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Still a lot of hurt feelings among those giving out F's. Biggest reason it's an F is 102 losses and failure to heed the "forget 2024" caveat.The OP said asking for that was a fools errand.  

The last rebuilt was built around everyone calling it a rebuild and most were in favor of it so they accepted the losses and growing pains . Hahn actually spent too much on the 25 man roster during the rebuild and the Sox competed well enough to never get a top 1 or 2 pick like the Astros did a couple of times. Hahn had a lot of years to build infrastructure but if he did he never got any results. Nothing from the DR accept a guy he got fleeced on. As a matter of fact Hahn sabotaged  his own rebuild. Look at the WAR produced by both Tatis Jr. and Marcus Semien between 2019-2021 which turned out to be the years the Sox needed them most. 2021 especially when they both put up monster WAR totals. 

It sucks it all fell apart so quickly.It also sucks JR is currently planning the team to be sold and making sure his heirs aren't stuck with a lot of debt or taxes. But we wanted him to sell an we're lucky the Ishbias are very wealthy and some of you now crying will get to see a new owner who likely will try to make the Sox into a team Chicago deserves. 

The arrow is pointing up if you have the patience to wait for the calvary to arrive. Maybe by the time the Ishbias take over the team will be hovering somehere around .500 or better. The farm system could be back in the top 10 after the next draft. 

But it'll probably be a lean few years but the new DR Academy is due to open in 2026 and some of you may be around in 10 years to see Braston Basker play in a White Sox uniform and recall that we 1st heard of him in 2025 .  That's already a future $6M spent out of Isbias 2030 pocket ! 

Still a lot of hurt feelings over posters giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F's. You know these grades don't actually mean anything right?

Edited October 9 by Bob Sacamano

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Still a lot of hurt feelings over posters giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F's.

And then predicting that a 12-year old will be a sure-fire major leaguer in 10 years.  Wow.

Edited October 9 by WhiteSox2023

[Tnetennba]

29 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Still a lot of hurt feelings over posters giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F's. You know these grades don't actually mean anything right?

The only hurt feelings are the ones complaining about fans giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F grades. 

[Kyyle23]

I just want to go into one season in the next five years, where I am not looking at flip candidates.  It’s fucking depressing 

[WestEddy]

43 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And then predicting that a 12-year old will be a sure-fire major leaguer in 10 years.  Wow.

I don't understand this comment. Betting on 12 year olds is what the entire league does, and we've all be screaming for the White Sox to do so that they could be players at the top of the market when these kids come of age. Yes, the concept is ludicrous, but I don't see how criticism gets lobbed at the Sox' front office over this practice. 

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

The only hurt feelings are the ones complaining about fans giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F grades. 

Nobody's complaining about people giving Fs. The Sox certainly deserve an F, and those who have chosen to explain why do have a point. There are people complaining about those of us who gave Bs. A few of us have explained our criteria, and that should be it. I had expectations, they were exceeded. I'm happy. I want more, now. 

[WestEddy]

19 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I just want to go into one season in the next five years, where I am not looking at flip candidates.  It’s fucking depressing 

On SoxMachine, some commenters are suggesting adding somebody like Kyle Lodise to Benintendi to get another team to take lots of White Sox money and take on his contract. While I'm the one usually firing back at those expressing dismay at wild trade scenarios, what in the actual f***?!?!?

[fathom]

22 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I just want to go into one season in the next five years, where I am not looking at flip candidates.  It’s fucking depressing 

We’re not even signing legit flip candidates

[almagest]

37 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody's complaining about people giving Fs. The Sox certainly deserve an F, and those who have chosen to explain why do have a point. There are people complaining about those of us who gave Bs. A few of us have explained our criteria, and that should be it. I had expectations, they were exceeded. I'm happy. I want more, now. 

I definitely wouldn't say I'm happy. This team was an embarrassment to baseball last year and has otherwise been at the bottom of the barrel since 2008.

I see what they have to do to turn this ship around given the asinine payroll restrictions and how bare the minors were of anyone who could contribute to the MLB team, though. I accept that this complete rebuild needs to happen, and am encouraged by what we can see so far of the progress made. There is still a long way to go.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, fathom said:

We’re not even signing legit flip candidates

We aren't signing flip candidates.  At this stage we are still signing flop candidates.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody's complaining about people giving Fs. The Sox certainly deserve an F, and those who have chosen to explain why do have a point. There are people complaining about those of us who gave Bs. A few of us have explained our criteria, and that should be it. I had expectations, they were exceeded. I'm happy. I want more, now. 

I don't think we are reading the same thread then.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

On SoxMachine, some commenters are suggesting adding somebody like Kyle Lodise to Benintendi to get another team to take lots of White Sox money and take on his contract. While I'm the one usually firing back at those expressing dismay at wild trade scenarios, what in the actual f***?!?!?

They are idiots then.  You are down to 2/32 left for Benny.  Just eat it like a real MLB franchise.

[WestEddy]

25 minutes ago, almagest said:

I definitely wouldn't say I'm happy. This team was an embarrassment to baseball last year and has otherwise been at the bottom of the barrel since 2008.

I see what they have to do to turn this ship around given the asinine payroll restrictions and how bare the minors were of anyone who could contribute to the MLB team, though. I accept that this complete rebuild needs to happen, and am encouraged by what we can see so far of the progress made. There is still a long way to go.

Obviously. I'm not saying that this is my Championship parade. I believe they made enough progress in 2025 to be satisfied Chris Getz and friends are moving forward towards a goal. Yes, the payrolls are insanely low and belie some deep trouble in the organization from a finance standpoint. I get not wanting to eat stupid money, overpay, or free agents keeping their distance. But it sounds like picking up a reasonable closing/flipping candidate for $15M, then paying a starting pitcher, OF and 1B $15M each to win some games is completely out of their range right now. 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

I don't understand this comment. Betting on 12 year olds is what the entire league does, and we've all be screaming for the White Sox to do so that they could be players at the top of the market when these kids come of age. Yes, the concept is ludicrous, but I don't see how criticism gets lobbed at the Sox' front office over this practice. 

Of course it’s a strategy that should be employed by the Sox.  My post didn’t criticize the Sox front office over the signing.  My point was that it’s difficult enough to project sure-fire major leaguers out of the MLB Draft even in early rounds, much less a 12-year old international kid.

Edited October 9 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I don't think we are reading the same thread then.

We are. I don't see a single post expressing consternation that somebody gave this team an F. There's a small bunch of "the amount of B's given is simply amazing". Again, nobody is being criticized for giving an F. That is a fact. People who gave Fs are being criticized for criticizing those who gave Bs. Big difference. 

[WestEddy]

38 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Of course it’s a strategy that should be employed by the Sox.  My post didn’t criticize the Sox front office over the signing.  My point was that it’s difficult enough to project sure-fire major leaguers out of the MLB Draft even in early rounds, much less a 12-year old international kid.

But it's all fluid. Nothing is guaranteed. If in 3 years, the kid comes to realize he's a men among boys and will be in the pros in 3 years, he might ask for more money. If the kid can't see his toes on his 16th birthday and hasn't even played catch in 18 months, the Sox might pull out. 

[WhiteSox2023]

I gave him a D.  Smith and Vasil raised him up from an F.  Everything else was pretty bad and Colson Montgomery and Lenyn Sosa were Getz holdovers.

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

But it's all fluid. Nothing is guaranteed. If in 3 years, the kid comes to realize he's a men among boys and will be in the pros in 3 years, he might ask for more money. If the kid can't see his toes on his 16th birthday and hasn't even played catch in 18 months, the Sox might pull out. 

I was responding specifically to this quote, which sounds like a guarantee to me.

”But it'll probably be a lean few years but the new DR Academy is due to open in 2026 and some of you may be around in 10 years to see Braston Basker play in a White Sox uniform and recall that we 1st heard of him in 2025 .  That's already a future $6M spent out of Isbias 2030 pocket !”