Bob Sacamano Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Players don't get paid during a lockout. What do the Rays have to do with this? You’ve gone way too far down the rabbit hole of Caulfield’s mind Edited November 20 by Bob Sacamano 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 18 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Players don't get paid during a lockout. What do the Rays have to do with this? Actually I think there have been cases where if it is written into their contract they will get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 5 hours ago, WestEddy said: Players don't get paid during a lockout. What do the Rays have to do with this? Not sure even the White Sox are THAT cheap. Especially holding onto Robert so stubbornly at $20 million. That's how Arozarena ended up with Seattle, got increasingly expensive. Edited November 20 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 5 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: You’ve gone way too far down the rabbit hole of Caulfield’s mind Fine, next time I will write two separate messages...first Eddy was obsessed with the Padres overspending, now he wants the White Sox to copy the Rays without the capacity to execute like that. For decades only Tier B/C free agents. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Fine, next time I will write two separate messages...first Eddy was obsessed with the Padres overspending, now he wants the White Sox to copy the Rays without the capacity to execute like that. For decades only Tier B/C free agents. Period. Agreed. The Sox won’t spend money like the Padres and only potentially once Ishbia takes over in 2029 at the earliest. Meanwhile, Getz and his new FO have not shown that they are as successful at identifying talent like the Rays. Edited November 20 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 7 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Not sure even the White Sox are THAT cheap. Especially holding onto Robert so stubbornly at $20 million. That's how Arozarena ended up with Seattle, got increasingly expensive. First of all, just fantasizing about Robert returning to his old form with PoppySox really doesn't have to jump through your hoops. 2nd, if Robert did begin to look like a 3-4 WAR CF again, $20M would be a deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. The Sox won’t spend money like the Padres and only potentially once Ishbia takes over in 2029 at the earliest. Meanwhile, Getz and his new FO have not shown that they are as successful at identifying talent like the Rays. I'm not even sure the Rays are as successful at identifying talent like the Rays. Didn't their recent braintrust take off for Miami? This current version seems more Earth-bound than previous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: First of all, just fantasizing about Robert returning to his old form with PoppySox really doesn't have to jump through your hoops. 2nd, if Robert did begin to look like a 3-4 WAR CF again, $20M would be a deal. I’d love for that to happen and he gets dealt for a good return at the deadline. But does Getz have the balls to hold onto him that long and hope he doesn’t get injured. And is that even a wise play to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Still hoping a team trades for him this offseason thinking he can play like he did the second half of last season, even if we have to kick half his salary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 7 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. The Sox won’t spend money like the Padres and only potentially once Ishbia takes over in 2029 at the earliest. Meanwhile, Getz and his new FO have not shown that they are as successful at identifying talent like the Rays. In fairness, talent like Steven Wilson and Adrian Houser. The Rays are doomed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, nrockway said: In fairness, talent like Steven Wilson and Adrian Houser. The Rays are doomed. You mean the same two guys that Getz acquired first? 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 7 hours ago, WestEddy said: I'm not even sure the Rays are as successful at identifying talent like the Rays. Didn't their recent braintrust take off for Miami? This current version seems more Earth-bound than previous. Wander Franco turning out like that, well there's a reason the Dodgers can lose a handful of guys like Urias from their pitching staff and not even blink. Replacing a franchise cornerstone is an entirely different matter. Caminero has a world of offensive potential, but still is much closer to a Devers type than Bobby Witt, Jr. because of his defensive limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Tuesday at 01:15 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:15 AM I guess this is good for the Sox... 🇨🇺⚾ Luis Robert played for Cuba in the 2023 World Baseball Classic, but in an interview with our sister page Pelota Cubana USA, he had this to say about a possible participation in the 2026 Classic and was emphatic: 🗣️ “Until everyone is allowed to play, I won't play for Team… pic.twitter.com/pYTzbQJAVq — Cuban Baseball Digest (@CBaseballDigest) November 30, 2025 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Tuesday at 05:46 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:46 PM (edited) Another nonsense ESPN listicle about trade targets and who could be involved. McDaniel/Passan give Robert a 60% chance of being traded: 2025-26 MLB offseason: Ranking players who could be traded - ESPN Quote 21. Luis Robert Jr., CF, Chicago White Sox The buzz: Now is finally the time, it seems, for Robert to move. The White Sox held on to him after his excellent 2023, hoping to cash in at the deadline in 2024. Then, Robert cratered and took his trade value with him. Though Chicago wouldn't be giving him away, the combination of two bad years and a substantial salary would limit the return on any potential deal. The scouting report: The White Sox picked up Robert's $20 million option for 2026, and they have another $20 million club option for 2027. He still has elite tools -- in the 90th or better percentile, per Baseball Savant, for sprint speed, defensive range, and bat speed -- but has been inconsistent, injured and unlucky on balls in play over the past two seasons. His 4.9 WAR campaign in 2023 (.264 average, 38 homers, 20 stolen bases, plus defense) is what Chicago or any team that acquires him is banking on seeing again, rather than the combined 1.9 WAR since. Predicted chance of getting traded: 60% Team fits: Giants, Phillies, Mets, Reds Edited Tuesday at 05:47 PM by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Tuesday at 05:48 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:48 PM On 11/20/2025 at 9:24 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: You mean the same two guys that Getz acquired first? 😉 The Rays aren't a rebuilding team digging out from the "worst evah" crater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Tuesday at 06:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:25 PM (edited) 42 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The Rays aren't a rebuilding team digging out from the "worst evah" crater. The rebuilding Rockies just signed both Nicky Lopez and John Brebbia to minor league deals. Two players that the rebuilding White Sox signed for $9.8 million dollars. So what should the strategy be for rebuilding teams? Because our GM seems to be all over the place with his strategy. Edited Tuesday at 06:28 PM by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The rebuilding Rockies just signed both Nicky Lopez and John Brebbia to minor league deals. Two players that the rebuilding White Sox signed for $9.8 million dollars. So what should the strategy be, because our GM seems to be doing it wrong? Getz has a ridiculous budget. I'm not sure what you want him to do. You keep bring up this "lighting money on fire" argument - Lopez was replacement level. Without him, Zach Remillard is your opening day starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Tuesday at 07:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:53 PM (edited) 6 hours ago, WestEddy said: Getz has a ridiculous budget. I'm not sure what you want him to do. You keep bring up this "lighting money on fire" argument - Lopez was replacement level. Without him, Zach Remillard is your opening day starter. Lopez was worth 0.2 bWAR that year. Remillard also had a 0.2 bWAR. I doubt either guy getting those at bats would have prevented the Sox from setting the loss record. Edited Wednesday at 01:11 AM by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Wednesday at 08:04 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:04 PM SoxMachine takes a crack at Passan's guessing that Robert has a 60% chance of being traded A miserable free agent market could provide a boost to Luis Robert Jr. trade talks - Sox Machine Quote Perhaps more useful is that free agency, never a great place to find viable long-term center field solutions, offers pretty awful selection at Robert's position. The most accomplished available option, Cody Bellinger, is no longer a full-time center fielder and any long-term plan for maintaining his bat like entails defensive workload management. Harrison Bader has put solid defensive metrics in center of recent and looks like an immediate superior option to Robert after a bounce-back 2025, but is also three years older. Cedric Mullins and Robert posted identical WAR totals per FanGraphs last year (1.3), but Defensive Runs Saved felt Mullins was one of the worst center fielders in the league last year. As far as outfielders with single, aberrant seasons of elite power production go, Robert's was more recent. After those three, it's defensively-limited reclamation projects (Lane Thomas, Chas McCormick) and fifth outfielder types (Garrett Hampson, Tyler Wade, DaShawn Keirsey Jr.). Recently non-tendered J.J. Bleday is sort of the type of post-hype former top prospect the Sox have been targeting, but defense is one of the central issues why his star has fallen. The four possible fits that Passan lists -- Giants, Mets, Reds and Phillies -- are the same teams that have been circling on Robert since last winter, and the Mets have already iterated through largely unsuccessful stints with Mullins and Bader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Wednesday at 08:07 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:07 PM MLBTR reiterates the softness in the CF market. Latest On Center Field Market - MLB Trade Rumors Quote That demand might outpace the supply. The free agent market doesn’t have a standout option. Trent Grisham would have been the headliner but he accepted a qualifying offer to return to the Yankees. Cody Bellinger is out there but he’s more of a corner guy who can play some center, as opposed to an everyday solution. Bader is available and coming off a nice season at the plate but that was fuelled by a .359 batting average on balls in play. Mullins, as mentioned, is coming off a dreadful campaign. On the trade market, Luis Robert Jr. is available but he’s coming off two straight poor seasons. The Astros are open to moving Jake Meyers for pitching help but Meyers has generally been a light-hitting, glove-first type in his career. Perhaps the Rockies would be open to moving Brenton Doyle but he’s still controlled for four more seasons and it would be a sell-low move for Colorado after his poor 2025 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Wednesday at 08:10 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:10 PM Some of us pointed out a bad CF market this offseason could make him more valuable now then back in July. I guess we will see what happens. Only thing that sucks is we don’t really have a viable CF option to replace him and the thought of Derek starting 70% of games makes me want to puke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Wednesday at 08:23 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:23 PM 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Some of us pointed out a bad CF market this offseason could make him more valuable now then back in July. I guess we will see what happens. Only thing that sucks is we don’t really have a viable CF option to replace him and the thought of Derek starting 70% of games makes me want to puke. Brooks I guess would get some play. Pereira maybe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted Wednesday at 08:40 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:40 PM (edited) 19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Brooks I guess would get some play. Pereira maybe I’d certainly give Brooks the job but concerned Getz would feel differently due to defense concerns. Can Pereira handle CF? I wouldn’t actually hate a platoon of those two if so during a lost season. Edited Wednesday at 08:40 PM by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Wednesday at 08:53 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:53 PM 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’d certainly give Brooks the job but concerned Getz would feel differently due to defense concerns. Can Pereira handle CF? I wouldn’t actually hate a platoon of those two if so during a lost season. Yes, supposedly. So it could just be Pereira in CF and Baldwin in RF instead… at least until Montgomery is called up to bump Baldwin back into a utility role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Wednesday at 09:09 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:09 PM 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, supposedly. So it could just be Pereira in CF and Baldwin in RF instead… at least until Montgomery is called up to bump Baldwin back into a utility role. And possible Braden could see time in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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