Robert Thread: Sox talking to Reds, Mets

[WestEddy]

16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

"Glean" all you like.  You can try to turn this into playing around with the definition of "is" is type of garbage, but if Chris Getz is in pretty deep talks with the Reds and Mets, he is pretty actively looking to trade him, even if Chris Getz won't call it "shopping" so that Luis Robert can be Schrödinger's trade bait.  You can play games with the phrase "shopping" so that Chris Getz comes out immaculate in your scenario, but big picture, this is just playing the dupe again.  Getz will piss on us and call it a golden shower, doesn't mean that is accurate.

No wait. I recall you being in finance, or something. Do you announce what stocks you're going to be buying up in the next month, and which you won't be? 

I'm surprised that business-speak makes you angry. Everybody does that. The entire world blows smoke up each other's heinies. There's probably player agreement or tampering rules that govern how much they have to thread the needle about trades and such. Again, I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that there's a line where it's worth more to plug Robert into CF than let him go for non-entities. 

Is Getz supposed to settle and just take what the market's offering, even while the free agency market hasn't really started to play out? If you know about these talks with the Reds and Mets (beyond what little's been reported), are they packages you wouldn't complain about once executed?

Edited yesterday at 06:35 PM by WestEddy

[WhiteSox2023]

I love when a GM says we aren’t shopping said player but we’ll listen to offers.  Robert is most definitely being shopped and I honestly don’t think they want to risk retaining him into the season but they may have to due to his value being so low.

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No wait. I recall you being in finance, or something. Do you announce what stocks you're going to be buying up in the next month, and which you won't be? 

I'm surprised that business-speak makes you angry. Everybody does that. The entire world blows smoke up each other's heinies. There's probably player agreement or tampering rules that govern how much they have to thread the needle about trades and such. Again, I know it's frustrating, but I don't understand why it's so hard to grasp that there's a line where it's worth more to plug Robert into CF than let him go for non-entities. 

Is Getz supposed to settle and just take what the market's offering, even while the free agency market hasn't really started to play out? If you know about these talks with the Reds and Mets (beyond what little's been reported), are they packages you wouldn't complain about once executed?

So you can admit that Getz is perfectly willing to lie to us, but then get all up in a bunch to justify him doing exactly that when someone points out that is pretty clearly lying to us.  Weird, because I think you are the one who is upset that someone is questioning the Great and Powerful Getz, hence the effort to parse his words and make everything okey dokey.  Getz is lying, not lying, and justified in lying, all at once.  That is covering some bases.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I love when a GM says we aren’t shopping said player but we’ll listen to offers.  Robert is most definitely being shopped and I honestly don’t think they want to risk retaining him into the season but they may have to due to his value being so low.

I don't disagree. But there seems to be some frustration over Chris Getz not announcing a blow by blow commentary of any trade discussions, or to settle for a package that has less value than just plugging a very good defensive CF into a lineup with no better options in the system. I mean, every team in transience announces a core player or two who is untouchable, and they listen on any phone calls they get. 

I also don't get the notion that we all have to pretend the White Sox front office is regularly asking for Crochet-like packages in exchange for Robert and are befuddled when the line goes dead. It's kind of insulting to demand we all pretend that. 

Nobody walks into a car dealership and announces the highest price they're willing to pay. It's a game. So is the trade market. I suppose I'll be accused of writing pages of "WestEddy Getz" in my notebook because I only think he's acting the way the rest of the league does. 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I don't disagree. But there seems to be some frustration over Chris Getz not announcing a blow by blow commentary of any trade discussions, or to settle for a package that has less value than just plugging a very good defensive CF into a lineup with no better options in the system. I mean, every team in transience announces a core player or two who is untouchable, and they listen on any phone calls they get. 

I also don't get the notion that we all have to pretend the White Sox front office is regularly asking for Crochet-like packages in exchange for Robert and are befuddled when the line goes dead. It's kind of insulting to demand we all pretend that. 

Nobody walks into a car dealership and announces the highest price they're willing to pay. It's a game. So is the trade market. I suppose I'll be accused of writing pages of "WestEddy Getz" in my notebook because I only think he's acting the way the rest of the league does. 

I also think Getz overplayed his hand and thought the offers for Robert would be better than, “here’s some mediocre prospects…  now you give us Robert and $10 million.”

Edited yesterday at 06:45 PM by WhiteSox2023

[T R U]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

People are taking way too simplistic of a view on this.  They are certainly right in saying we have failed to cash in on Robert for two straight years.  And I fully get the skepticism that the third will be the charm.  However, Robert went through some drastic changes last year and may have turned a corner with the bat.  That doesn’t change the fact that he’s injury prone, but with half a season’s time it could address the other element that has impacted his value which is being a bad hitter.  Not saying the juice will be worth the squeeze ultimately, but the calculus is arguably different now than it was a year ago if you believe in his improvements.

All this being said, I’m not sure I see a better use of his $20M next year that doesn’t involve a significant long-term contract that Jerry won’t permit.  I’d rather roll the dice on Robert one last time, try to build some momentum with the positional group, and see where things stand in July.  If someone is willing give up real value for him right now, I’d certainly accept that offer.  But based on what have seen and heard so far this offseason, teams don’t appear to be willing to pay up for 2nd half Robert (or 75% of that guy) even if we include cash.  As such, we likely need to hold and hope he can be both healthy and productive.

To clarify, Robert had a great 15 game stretch in July and then from August until the end of his season went right back to being .256 / .287 / .690

At this point, if he becomes valuable again it would be a pleasant surprise but I have pretty much lost all hope with this guy which is incredibly sad.

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So you can admit that Getz is perfectly willing to lie to us, but then get all up in a bunch to justify him doing exactly that when someone points out that is pretty clearly lying to us.  Weird, because I think you are the one who is upset that someone is questioning the Great and Powerful Getz, hence the effort to parse his words and make everything okey dokey.  Getz is lying, not lying, and justified in lying, all at once.  That is covering some bases.

They said they expect Robert to be their CF, but they'll listen on him. I'm still waiting for you show us the lie. 

I'm just trying to think along with how the off-season is progressing. I don't need to imagine everybody wearing sweat shirts labeled "Good" and "Evil" for the world to make sense to me. 

Again, I would love for you to question the GM you say is so great and powerful. Let us know when you're going to start doing that, instead of dogging conversations about Luis Robert's trade value and market and trying to force us to admit really bad things are happening to us. 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:55 PM by WestEddy

[Autumn Dreamin]

Getz made similar "happy to have him" comments last offseason and obviously did end up holding on to Robert despite the trade chatter at that time. Folks here said he was being disingenuous and would "obviously" take whatever he could get before ST ended, and here we are a full season + $20 million option later.

Is he available? Obviously...for some yet to be met price. But nothing about this saga so far contradicts the idea that they are fine with keeping him if the alternative is giving him away. If they were desperate to move him for any return, he'd be gone for an A-ball pitcher and a lottery ticket IFA already. If they just wanted him gone entirely, they don't pick up the option.

I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they are actually content to keep Robert if they can't get a return they like, because they have repeatedly demonstrated that to be the case. 

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, T R U said:

To clarify, Robert had a great 15 game stretch in July and then from August until the end of his season went right back to being .256 / .287 / .690

At this point, if he becomes valuable again it would be a pleasant surprise but I have pretty much lost all hope with this guy which is incredibly sad.

Yeah, SS2k5 was the one who actually convinced me to give up the ghost on 5 WAR Robert, and realize he's a 2 bWAR player over 162, which translates to a 1.5 WAR dude over the 100 games he'll be available for. But the Sox probably think there's a little more helium to that 85 OPS+, and he covers CF better than anybody they have for now. 

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They said they expect Robert to be their CF, but they'll listen on him. I'm still waiting for you show us the lie. 

I'm just trying to think along with how the off-season is progressing. I don't need to imagine everybody wearing sweat shirts labeled "Good" and "Evil" for the world to make sense to me. 

Again, I would love for you to question the GM you say is so great and powerful. Let us know when you're going to start doing that, instead of dogging conversations about Luis Robert's trade value and market and trying to force us to admit really bad things are happening to us. 

 

If you "don't need" it, why do you keep chasing me around to tell me how wrong I am?  Why the need to literally make up things like "good" and "evil"?  Why the need to worry about the definition of parsed words while completely ignoring context?  If you are so secure in your beliefs, there should be no need to spend this much effort telling the world how I need to just be quiet and accept everything I am told at face value.  Run along then.

[southsider2k5]

17 minutes ago, T R U said:

To clarify, Robert had a great 15 game stretch in July and then from August until the end of his season went right back to being .256 / .287 / .690

At this point, if he becomes valuable again it would be a pleasant surprise but I have pretty much lost all hope with this guy which is incredibly sad.

And if it happens, we will back to the point in this cycle where he has no value, because he has no control and an injury history.  We have done all of this before.  I have no idea why we think something is going to change, but here we are.

[WestEddy]

15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If you "don't need" it, why do you keep chasing me around to tell me how wrong I am?  Why the need to literally make up things like "good" and "evil"?  Why the need to worry about the definition of parsed words while completely ignoring context?  If you are so secure in your beliefs, there should be no need to spend this much effort telling the world how I need to just be quiet and accept everything I am told at face value.  Run along then.

You started chasing me yesterday when you basically implied that we need to stop making non-negative comments. 

I'm not telling you to be quiet. I'm asking you to explain your criticisms. Other astute posters have just clocked in and expressed no real confusion about how the White Sox are conducting themselves here.

Edited yesterday at 07:16 PM by WestEddy

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You started chasing me yesterday when you basically implied that we need to stop making non-negative comments. 

I'm not telling you to be quiet. I'm asking you to explain your criticisms. Other astute posters have just clocked in and expressed no real confusion about how the White Sox are conducting themselves here.

I have repeatedly.  If you don't understand that, that's on you.  If I am not explaining in a way you can accept, that is also on you.

[Chicago White Sox]

52 minutes ago, T R U said:

To clarify, Robert had a great 15 game stretch in July and then from August until the end of his season went right back to being .256 / .287 / .690

At this point, if he becomes valuable again it would be a pleasant surprise but I have pretty much lost all hope with this guy which is incredibly sad.

He had a 16.4% K rate across July & August.  That K rate was fairly consistent in both months and radically different from the rest of 2025.  Obviously there is other noise in those numbers which you are seeing.  The point is him being more patient & selective was finally paying off in terms of his K rate.  I’m not guaranteeing he is fixed, but it’s a noticeable change in trend that followed a significant improvement in his chase rate that followed a well documented offseason in which he used a Trajekt machine to improve his pitch recognition and ultimately swing decisions.

[chitownsportsfan]

1 hour ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Getz made similar "happy to have him" comments last offseason and obviously did end up holding on to Robert despite the trade chatter at that time. Folks here said he was being disingenuous and would "obviously" take whatever he could get before ST ended, and here we are a full season + $20 million option later.

Is he available? Obviously...for some yet to be met price. But nothing about this saga so far contradicts the idea that they are fine with keeping him if the alternative is giving him away. If they were desperate to move him for any return, he'd be gone for an A-ball pitcher and a lottery ticket IFA already. If they just wanted him gone entirely, they don't pick up the option.

I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they are actually content to keep Robert if they can't get a return they like, because they have repeatedly demonstrated that to be the case. 

Worst case he'd except the QO no? Middle case he declines and we'll pocket the extra pick.

[greg775]

2 hours ago, T R U said:

I have pretty much lost all hope with this guy which is incredibly sad.

What ever happened to Eloy? Is his career hopelessly over? Remember Viciedo? What a bust. And Vaughn, who did a little better in Milwaukee?

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

27 minutes ago, greg775 said:

What ever happened to Eloy? Is his career hopelessly over? Remember Viciedo? What a bust. And Vaughn, who did a little better in Milwaukee?

Viciedo actually had a very successful career overseas. But I wouldn't even worry over Eloy's career. He made a lot of money for doing a whole lot of nothing in the majors.

[Autumn Dreamin]

36 minutes ago, greg775 said:

What ever happened to Eloy? Is his career hopelessly over? Remember Viciedo? What a bust. And Vaughn, who did a little better in Milwaukee?

Eloy's been playing winter ball, I assume with the intent of attracting a camp deal from someone.

[Bob Sacamano]

On 1/6/2026 at 2:52 PM, Lukakke Appling said:

Yeah, I didn’t say anything about their payroll. And actually neither did the other guy. I was just making fun of the *checks notes* thing. 

I think his point was that keeping Luis Robert for some imaginary “playoff push” is a ridiculous thing to say when they have the 4th lowest payroll and still a long checklist of needs.

[Snopek]

4 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Eloy's been playing winter ball, I assume with the intent of attracting a camp deal from someone.

Huh. And I was told guys like him and Yoan just stopped caring after they got their big contracts.

It's almost like they have a competitive nature and a passion to keep playing the game. 

[almagest]

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I suppose I'll be accused of writing pages of "WestEddy Getz" in my notebook because I only think he's acting the way the rest of the league does. 

I have a notebook full of "AlmaGetz" with hearts around each one

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, almagest said:

I have a notebook full of "AlmaGetz" with hearts around each one

TLA

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, Snopek said:

Huh. And I was told guys like him and Yoan just stopped caring after they got their big contracts.

It's almost like they have a competitive nature and a passion to keep playing the game. 

Uhhh, he’s trying to showcase himself in an easier league to get another paycheck.

At the end of the day, he was an injury-prone bust who was a waste of a lot of the Sox payroll.

But…  “HI MOM!!!”

Edited 21 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Bob Sacamano]

2 hours ago, Snopek said:

Huh. And I was told guys like him and Yoan just stopped caring after they got their big contracts.

It's almost like they have a competitive nature and a passion to keep playing the game. 

Don’t know if you noticed, but dude looks fatter now. His MLB days are gone.

[BigHurt3515]

At this point Robert is going to retire with the White Sox