Teams have asked about Teel

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

So shouldn't bWAR correct for that overemphasis on framing then?

they probably do since his bWAR is higher isnt it ? 

[WestEddy]

12 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Im not sure but fWAR seems to put a lot of emphasis on framing . I have no idea if framing stats is Fangraphs baby but it's over rated. If hes throwing out base stealers and picking guys off base and blocking balls in the dirt, and calling a good game those all equally important to stealing strike calls for your pitchers on the rarer than you might think occasions the umps are influenced by guys moving their gloves into the strike zone . 

The problem with bad framing is that it leads to unfavorable counts, and higher pitch counts. Quero cost his team about 13 runs over the season. I believe that Baseball Prospectus has one of the more comprehensive catcher rating systems, although I'm sure someone else could be better. 

[hi8is]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

The problem with bad framing is that it leads to unfavorable counts, and higher pitch counts. Quero cost his team about 13 runs over the season. I believe that Baseball Prospectus has one of the more comprehensive catcher rating systems, although I'm sure someone else could be better. 

Soon it won’t matter.

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, hi8is said:

Soon it won’t matter.

The stuff I've read is that the system isn't going to be overused lest a team run themselves out of appeals early in the game. If a catcher could keep the calls that are too near the zone to safely dispute, that still has value. 

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The stuff I've read is that the system isn't going to be overused lest a team run themselves out of appeals early in the game. If a catcher could keep the calls that are too near the zone to safely dispute, that still has value. 

Yeah it’s not like you get infinite challenges (well, I guess you do if you’re right every time but still)

Edited Sunday at 08:12 PM by Bob Sacamano

[GreenSox]

4 hours ago, WestEddy said:

The problem with bad framing is that it leads to unfavorable counts, and higher pitch counts. Quero cost his team about 13 runs over the season. I believe that Baseball Prospectus has one of the more comprehensive catcher rating systems, although I'm sure someone else could be better. 

How accurate are framing measurements?

Has all pitcher-bias been wringed out of them?

Anyway, every team can see those framing ratings.so unless an interested team doesn't care about that, then he'll be sold at depressed value.  At least wait and see how things function under the auto-zone..

Edited Sunday at 09:57 PM by GreenSox

[GreenSox]

15 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

How accurate are framing measurements?

Has all pitcher-bias been wringed out of them?

Anyway, every team can see those framing ratings.so unless an interested team doesn't care about that, then he'll be sold at depressed value.  At least wait and see how things function under the auto-zone..

As for Teel, he was around mlb #40 and a Boston top 5 when traded; since then he has "walked the walk" in the majors.  The RedSox fans seem to believe that 1/2 that value is fair value.