Chicago White Sox's Offseason FA Signings Trades Megathread

[46DidIt]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

And now the people who were offended by that are celebrating public assassinations.

Not sure how any decent person wouldn't be offended by a law abiding citizen being brutally murdered in front of a thousand young college students. There hasn't been any assassination since Kirk so not sure what youre referring to there either.

[WestEddy]

Okay, here's a SouthSideShowDown blog post about how the Sox could get a prospect for taking Castellanos off the Phillies' hands. 

White Sox could help Phillies pursuit of Bo Bichette with this unconventional trade

First of all, could somebody tell me about all these trades that happen where teams send top prospects to other teams so they can pay their own players to play for someone else? Is that like Free Money day at the bank? Seriously, the White Sox sent international budget money to the Rangers for them to buy out Dionner Navarro's option within the last decade, and the world went mad with rage over how stupid and cheap that was. When else does this even happen? 

Looking today, there aren't even that many situations where teams roster players they might like to dump. Here's my list:

Toronto - Andres Giminez
Boston - Masataka Yoshida
Houston - Carlos Correa
Oakland - Luis Severino
Philadelphia - Castellanos, Taijuan Walker
Mets - Kodai Senga(?)
St. Louis - Nolan Arenado
Rockies - Kris Bryant

Some of these, like Bryant - is just too cost-prohibitive to take on. Toronto seems to be happy with Giminez, Houston with Correa. The other teams listed have been shopping these guys for a couple of years, now, and somehow, they haven't been moved with "prospects". We don't need a DH. We already have Benintendi. Nobody's been beating down our door trying to trade for him and Hagen Smith. (Maybe 10-D and Jacob Gonzalez, in reality). 

I just don't think these deals happen, anymore. But everybody on Twitter and other boards keep throwing this fantasy at the wall, like every other day, teams are throwing prospects at teams with space to take their overpriced contract. 

[Bob Sacamano]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Okay, here's a SouthSideShowDown blog post about how the Sox could get a prospect for taking Castellanos off the Phillies' hands. 

White Sox could help Phillies pursuit of Bo Bichette with this unconventional trade

First of all, could somebody tell me about all these trades that happen where teams send top prospects to other teams so they can pay their own players to play for someone else? Is that like Free Money day at the bank? Seriously, the White Sox sent international budget money to the Rangers for them to buy out Dionner Navarro's option within the last decade, and the world went mad with rage over how stupid and cheap that was. When else does this even happen? 

Looking today, there aren't even that many situations where teams roster players they might like to dump. Here's my list:

Toronto - Andres Giminez
Boston - Masataka Yoshida
Houston - Carlos Correa
Oakland - Luis Severino
Philadelphia - Castellanos, Taijuan Walker
Mets - Kodai Senga(?)
St. Louis - Nolan Arenado
Rockies - Kris Bryant

Some of these, like Bryant - is just too cost-prohibitive to take on. Toronto seems to be happy with Giminez, Houston with Correa. The other teams listed have been shopping these guys for a couple of years, now, and somehow, they haven't been moved with "prospects". We don't need a DH. We already have Benintendi. Nobody's been beating down our door trying to trade for him and Hagen Smith. (Maybe 10-D and Jacob Gonzalez, in reality). 

I just don't think these deals happen, anymore. But everybody on Twitter and other boards keep throwing this fantasy at the wall, like every other day, teams are throwing prospects at teams with space to take their overpriced contract. 

Eduardo Rodriguez in AZ

[Autumn Dreamin]

 

[southsider2k5]

11 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Not sure how any decent person wouldn't be offended by a law abiding citizen being brutally murdered in front of a thousand young college students. There hasn't been any assassination since Kirk so not sure what youre referring to there either.

Exactly.   

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Eduardo Rodriguez in AZ

But I'm guessing that every team runs into the same problems. If they're going to pay down a guy like Rodriguez, they still want value for what they're sending away. 

[ChiSoxFanMike]

19 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Okay, here's a SouthSideShowDown blog post about how the Sox could get a prospect for taking Castellanos off the Phillies' hands. 

White Sox could help Phillies pursuit of Bo Bichette with this unconventional trade

First of all, could somebody tell me about all these trades that happen where teams send top prospects to other teams so they can pay their own players to play for someone else? Is that like Free Money day at the bank? Seriously, the White Sox sent international budget money to the Rangers for them to buy out Dionner Navarro's option within the last decade, and the world went mad with rage over how stupid and cheap that was. When else does this even happen? 

Looking today, there aren't even that many situations where teams roster players they might like to dump. Here's my list:

Toronto - Andres Giminez
Boston - Masataka Yoshida
Houston - Carlos Correa
Oakland - Luis Severino
Philadelphia - Castellanos, Taijuan Walker
Mets - Kodai Senga(?)
St. Louis - Nolan Arenado
Rockies - Kris Bryant

Some of these, like Bryant - is just too cost-prohibitive to take on. Toronto seems to be happy with Giminez, Houston with Correa. The other teams listed have been shopping these guys for a couple of years, now, and somehow, they haven't been moved with "prospects". We don't need a DH. We already have Benintendi. Nobody's been beating down our door trying to trade for him and Hagen Smith. (Maybe 10-D and Jacob Gonzalez, in reality). 

I just don't think these deals happen, anymore. But everybody on Twitter and other boards keep throwing this fantasy at the wall, like every other day, teams are throwing prospects at teams with space to take their overpriced contract. 

I feel like a Robert for Senga framework could make some sense.

[WestEddy]

55 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I feel bad for starting this conversation.  Honestly, it was just about the potential for acquiring a guy in Shaw who is now blocked at 3B by Bregman, he can play other positions than 3B in 2B and could potentially be tried in the outfield (LF) since he played it in college.  Also, perhaps his trade value is down a bit.

Quite honestly, I could care less if he was/is a CK and/or Trump supporter or instead worshipped the triumvirate of Hillary, Biden, and Kamala.  In my mind, I separate sports from politics and I don’t see Shaw wearing a CK or MAGA hat while he’s playing in a game.

The rumor about him pushing back against swing changes suggested by Cubs coaches is a concern, but not his political leanings.

If the Cubs didn't say it, I've seen it bandied about that Shaw works as a Brooks Baldwin-type utility player for them. 

Frankly, where the Cubs are right now, I'd see Shaw as more of a sweetener for a pitcher or a bat they're trying to acquire, or whatnot, not somebody to move because they're blocked. 

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

If the Cubs didn't say it, I've seen it bandied about that Shaw works as a Brooks Baldwin-type utility player for them. 

Frankly, where the Cubs are right now, I'd see Shaw as more of a sweetener for a pitcher or a bat they're trying to acquire, or whatnot, not somebody to move because they're blocked. 

Seems like they’ll keep him in a utility role (at bats to go around with rotating DH maybe and guys like Swanson, Happ, Bregman 32 or over. Plus, he can slide ride into 2B if/when they don’t resign Hoerner.

[46DidIt]

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Exactly.   

[GreenSox]

20 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

I feel like a Robert for Senga framework could make some sense.

It’s a trade where the pieces “fit”; but it opens a big hole in CF.  They can get a mid-pitcher as a FA.

the Sox real need to get a young player with long term potential (or a comp pick) for Robert. 

Edited 2 hours ago by GreenSox

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, 46DidIt said:

I am not surprised at all by this response either.  All lives matter after all, right?  Oh you guys aren't telling that lie anymore?  Same with the extra judicial executions in the streets being a reason for regime change?  Save the one way feelings.

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

It’s a trade where the pieces “fit”; but it opens a big hole in CF.  They can get a mid-pitcher as a FA.

the Sox real need to get a young player with long term potential for Robert. 

If the Sox traded Robert for Senga, Acuña and I don't know, Clifford? Ewing? I suppose that gets us back a starting pitcher and CF, and there's your "prospect". Maybe there's an lower or unranked dude who Shirley/Keller liked. 

[MiddleCoastBias]

37 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

 

I can't imagine the Yankees are even contemplating Robert. Bellinger is their target, the talks are at a stalemate after the weekend, and these other names are being bandied about as leverage. 

This is just posturing, in my opinion.

[EloyJenkins]

16 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

I can't imagine the Yankees are even contemplating Robert. Bellinger is their target, the talks are at a stalemate after the weekend, and these other names are being bandied about as leverage. 

This is just posturing, in my opinion.

100%...but if he wants 7 years...they wont give that to him apparently...so doing their due diligence again makes sense. With the protection in that lineup...I actually think Robert would play pretty well for the Yankees if 100% healthy. But the return would be mediocre. 

[GreenSox]

52 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

If the Sox traded Robert for Senga, Acuña and I don't know, Clifford? Ewing? I suppose that gets us back a starting pitcher and CF, and there's your "prospect". Maybe there's an lower or unranked dude who Shirley/Keller liked. 

I assume Acuna's the CF, but is he and can he hit?  
Mets have the worst CF situation among contenders, if not in baseball.  Should be aggressive. 

[WestEddy]

15 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

I assume Acuna's the CF, but is he and can he hit?  
Mets have the worst CF situation among contenders, if not in baseball.  Should be aggressive. 

Acuna is supposed to have some CF ability. I think his bat profiles as a defensive specialist, although there's bloodlines, and he has hit in the minors. The White Sox have lusted after him. 

[46DidIt]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am not surprised at all by this response either.  All lives matter after all, right?  Oh you guys aren't telling that lie anymore?  Same with the extra judicial executions in the streets being a reason for regime change?  Save the one way feelings.

The response was in relation to how nonsensical your response was. You claimed people who thought Kirk assassination was a bad thing have subsequently been celebrating assassinations. I pointed there hasn't been an assassination since Kirk, and you respond "exactly". Makes no sense, you see

[PaleAleSox]

4 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

The response was in relation to how nonsensical your response was. You claimed people who thought Kirk assassination was a bad thing have subsequently been celebrating assassinations. I pointed there hasn't been an assassination since Kirk, and you respond "exactly". Makes no sense, you see

You know what situation he is talking about, though. 

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, 46DidIt said:

The response was in relation to how nonsensical your response was. You claimed people who thought Kirk assassination was a bad thing have subsequently been celebrating assassinations. I pointed there hasn't been an assassination since Kirk, and you respond "exactly". Makes no sense, you see

Dude, pretty much everybody tip toed around this argument all day. I'm certainly not in charge of anything here, but you can either message SS2k5 or just invite him to 4chan. 

Bring up a hairbrained trade idea. Or link to some Twitter dude's s%*# trade proposal.  We can sure use it.

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

The response was in relation to how nonsensical your response was. You claimed people who thought Kirk assassination was a bad thing have subsequently been celebrating assassinations. I pointed there hasn't been an assassination since Kirk, and you respond "exactly". Makes no sense, you see

Yes, the idea that Americans aren't being targeted and killed on the streets extrajudiciously these days is exactly the response I expected.  I am not surprised that confused you.

[46DidIt]

1 minute ago, PaleAleSox said:

You know what situation he is talking about, though. 

You mean when the lady went from obstructing law enforcement to trying to run a law enforcement officer over? Last I checked, its been well established that deadly force may be met with deadly force. Pretty easy to avoid being shot due to attempting to hit someone with a car by not attempting to hit someone with a car

Certainly wouldn't be considered an assassination. Wouldn't she be a law abiding citizen either, such as was the case with Kirk

[46DidIt]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yes, the idea that Americans aren't being targeted and killed on the streets extrajudiciously these days is exactly the response I expected.  I am not surprised that confused you.

Targeted? You think the ICE agents somehow made that lady show up, obstruct their law enforcement activity and then proceed to hit one of them with her car. Thats ludicrous. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

22 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

You mean when the lady went from obstructing law enforcement to trying to run a law enforcement officer over? Last I checked, its been well established that deadly force may be met with deadly force. Pretty easy to avoid being shot due to attempting to hit someone with a car by not attempting to hit someone with a car

Certainly wouldn't be considered an assassination. Wouldn't she be a law abiding citizen either, such as was the case with Kirk

I don't want to have a political debate with you, as like some here I find the polarization nauseating, BUT I do care about rights and the law and procedure. From the DOJ itself:

DOJ Bylaws (https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force):

• Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.
• Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.

 

The officer very clearly was able to move out of the path of the vehicle in the video, therefore he violated the policy and the DOJ law as it relates to discharging a weapon.

It's important to know your rights, and the expectations of law enforcement. Fleeing a crime, that was a misdemeanor at best, does not allow for law enforcement to shoot you. It is black and white.

Edited 40 minutes ago by Look at Ray Ray Run

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Targeted? You think the ICE agents somehow made that lady show up, obstruct their law enforcement activity and then proceed to hit one of them with her car. Thats ludicrous. 

People are being murdered in our streets,  targeted by a unaccountable, non-police force, you know the whole reason for the 2ndA in most discussions,  and in this case, you can't rush fast enough to justify it.  We have toppled governments for less.

Like I said previously, exactly. This is exactly what what I expected.