3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That’s crazy and I can see why even the Yankees are balking at that request.

And lol at "at least 7 years"

25 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Does Imai have a rug or is that actually his hair?

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1GE47DXcGW/?mibextid=wwXIfr

That was awkward. Looked like he was having second thoughts. Probably the realization of playing for that crap org. 

7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Let’s be honest here, he wasn’t allowed to make this decision on his own without risk of a consequence.  He had to get approval from the Cubs front office to attend this “funeral”.  If the rules don’t consider this an automatic reason to miss a game, I think it warrants open discussion.  This isn’t tee-ball, this is professional sports and guys have sacrificed much more to play in games with stakes.

And yes it matters because a poster is saying we should go out and acquire the dude.  Unfortunately character does matter and this player has some baggage behind just skipping important baseball games to attend the “funeral” of an extremely polarizing right wing media personality he BFFed up within the last year.  I guess that his decisions to resist Cubs coaching should also be ignored due to your full support of all people’s individual rights.

Hate to bring this back but just got on and feel like I should be able to respond. This can be taken somewhere else if wanted by others

Yeah he had to get approval from his employer to miss a day of work just like anyone else in the world would have to do, not sure why that is a big deal.

People only think it effects his character because his views don't align with theirs. If someone missed a game (with team approval) to attend a left wing media personality than the people dogging him wouldn't really give a s%*#. What should be asked is if Shaw is openly talking about his political beliefs in the work place and making his teammates and coaches uncomfortable or does he come to work and do his job and is a good teammate? You can disagree politically or religiously but doesn't mean both can't be good people and teammates. We have gotten away from that so much in this country

17 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

If someone missed a game (with team approval) to attend a left wing media personality than the people dogging him wouldn't really give a s%*#.

Except you don't actually know this and therefore you don't automatically get to decide that it's true.

28 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

Hate to bring this back but just got on and feel like I should be able to respond. This can be taken somewhere else if wanted by others

Yeah he had to get approval from his employer to miss a day of work just like anyone else in the world would have to do, not sure why that is a big deal.

People only think it effects his character because his views don't align with theirs. If someone missed a game (with team approval) to attend a left wing media personality than the people dogging him wouldn't really give a s%*#. What should be asked is if Shaw is openly talking about his political beliefs in the work place and making his teammates and coaches uncomfortable or does he come to work and do his job and is a good teammate? You can disagree politically or religiously but doesn't mean both can't be good people and teammates. We have gotten away from that so much in this country

This seems like an important time to point out the political affiliation of Cubs ownership.

24 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

Hate to bring this back but just got on and feel like I should be able to respond. This can be taken somewhere else if wanted by others

Yeah he had to get approval from his employer to miss a day of work just like anyone else in the world would have to do, not sure why that is a big deal.

People only think it effects his character because his views don't align with theirs. If someone missed a game (with team approval) to attend a left wing media personality than the people dogging him wouldn't really give a s%*#. What should be asked is if Shaw is openly talking about his political beliefs in the work place and making his teammates and coaches uncomfortable or does he come to work and do his job and is a good teammate? You can disagree politically or religiously but doesn't mean both can't be good people and teammates. We have gotten away from that so much in this country

Players take bereavement time regularly. Nobody cares. We even know about this because of the context, not politics. I had to have a little cry over agreeing with Ray Ray, but if person at work finds out that a family member died, everyone starts telling them to go home and be with their family. It's like, "why are you still here?" The fact that he had to ask teammates is telling. He wasn't "mourning". 

NFL players knelt during the National Anthem of games they showed up to play in. NBA players wore "I Can't Breathe" t-shirts during warm-ups of games they showed up to play in. The media portrayed that as "controversial". 

It's fun to pretend things that didn't happen. If a baseball player skipped a key game in the homestretch of a pennant run to attend a No Kings or George Floyd rally, I can't say how I'd feel about that. I can't remember anything like that happening, so I'll have to wait until it does. 

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Players take bereavement time regularly. Nobody cares. We even know about this because of the context, not politics. I had to have a little cry over agreeing with Ray Ray, but if person at work finds out that a family member died, everyone starts telling them to go home and be with their family. It's like, "why are you still here?" The fact that he had to ask teammates is telling. He wasn't "mourning". 

NFL players knelt during the National Anthem of games they showed up to play in. NBA players wore "I Can't Breathe" t-shirts during warm-ups of games they showed up to play in. The media portrayed that as "controversial". 

It's fun to pretend things that didn't happen. If a baseball player skipped a key game in the homestretch of a pennant run to attend a No Kings or George Floyd rally, I can't say how I'd feel about that. I can't remember anything like that happening, so I'll have to wait until it does. 

The President had a full out meltdown over it, and there was a boycott attempted.  It was far from "nobody cares".  The same people also called for boycotts over the Redskins name change.

35 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

Hate to bring this back but just got on and feel like I should be able to respond. This can be taken somewhere else if wanted by others

Yeah he had to get approval from his employer to miss a day of work just like anyone else in the world would have to do, not sure why that is a big deal.

People only think it affects his character because his views don't align with theirs. If someone missed a game (with team approval) to attend a left wing media personality than the people dogging him wouldn't really give a s%*#. What should be asked is if Shaw is openly talking about his political beliefs in the work place and making his teammates and coaches uncomfortable or does he come to work and do his job and is a good teammate? You can disagree politically or religiously but doesn't mean both can't be good people and teammates. We have gotten away from that so much in this country

If he lost a family member, he would not have had to get approval from his employer is the point I was trying to make.  There is a very big distinction here.  And as someone else has pointed out, this wasn’t a lifelong friend and a normal “funeral”.  No matter your political beliefs and whether the situation was fair or not, this was certainly going to be a distraction and risk conflict in the clubhouse.

And let me be very clear here.  I am supportive of differing political views.  What I am intolerant to is hate in any form and Charlie Kirk routinely made dumb, hateful comments that created further division in this country.  You seem to be arguing for a greater tolerance for political & religious freedoms, but then are surprised by the baggage that comes with being BFFs with a political pundit who was very black & white with his views.  If there was a similar extremist on the left side that someone pulled the same move with I’d feel exactly the same.

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The President had a full out meltdown over it, and there was a boycott attempted.  It was far from "nobody cares".  The same people also called for boycotts over the Redskins name change.

I mean nobody cares regarding a player taking time off from the team to attend their mother's funeral. 

Oh, the bolded part. My point was that they showed up to play those games. They didn't take off to go protest or attend a rally. 

Edited January 12Jan 12 by WestEddy
oh, the bolded part

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If he lost a family member, he would not have had to get approval from his employer is the point I was trying to make.  There is a very big distinction here.  And as someone else has pointed out, this wasn’t a lifelong friend and a normal “funeral”.  No matter your political beliefs and whether the situation was fair or not, this was certainly going to be a distraction and risk conflict in the clubhouse.

And let me be very clear here.  I am supportive of differing political views.  What I am intolerant to is hate in any form and Charlie Kirk routinely made dumb, hateful comments that created further division in this country.  You seem to be arguing for a greater tolerance for political & religious freedoms, but then are surprised by the baggage that comes with being BFFs with a political pundit who was very black & white with his views.  If there was a similar extremist on the left side that someone pulled the same move with I’d feel exactly the same.

Yeah it was more of a rally than funeral

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah it was more of a rally than funeral

Like going to a Stones' concert after the long-retired Bill Wyman died to "support" Mick Jagger. 

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Obviously you are referring to me, and you would be wrong.  I liked him as a prospect before I ever even knew about his own personal beliefs.  I believe Shaw attended the memorial service in late September.  Nice try though.

I've said this before, but the majority of baseball players are certainly CK aligned. The sin of Shaw wasn't his beliefs, but the fact that he wasn't available for a very important game due to the death of someone he met within the year. Unwritten rule in that case being, immediate family and/or best friend is OK. 

Edited January 12Jan 12 by Look at Ray Ray Run

Kinda strange how the guy who promoted peaceful public discourse is considered the extremist by the same people who celebrate his public assassination

Saw the Yankees checked in on Robert, what would we want in return from them?

I wonder how Bregman fares hitting in Wrigley. He has a similar pull heavy profile to Isaac Paredes, who struggled big time in his stint with the Cubs. That left field corner is no joke.

27 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Kinda strange how the guy who promoted peaceful public discourse is considered the extremist by the same people who celebrate his public assassination

And now the people who were offended by that are celebrating public assassinations.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

This seems like an important time to point out the political affiliation of Cubs ownership.

Joe Ricketts has said a lot of really terrible s%*# that aligns pretty well with the nonsense Kirk was saying; Muslims don’t belong in America, it’s funny when Mexicans die in fires, etc. 

I feel bad for starting this conversation.  Honestly, it was just about the potential for acquiring a guy in Shaw who is now blocked at 3B by Bregman, he can play other positions than 3B in 2B and could potentially be tried in the outfield (LF) since he played it in college.  Also, perhaps his trade value is down a bit.

Quite honestly, I could care less if he was/is a CK and/or Trump supporter or instead worshipped the triumvirate of Hillary, Biden, and Kamala.  In my mind, I separate sports from politics and I don’t see Shaw wearing a CK or MAGA hat while he’s playing in a game.

The rumor about him pushing back against swing changes suggested by Cubs coaches is a concern, but not his political leanings.

Edited January 12Jan 12 by WhiteSox2023

I'd much rather argue about the following than Matt Shaw's right wing politics:

Schriffen vs. Benetti  

The 78 vs. Rate Field vs. suburban stadium site 

Ishbia vs. JR 

Getz vs. Hahn/KW

I say options B, A, A, and neither.

9 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

I'd much rather argue about the following than Matt Shaw's right wing politics:

Schriffen vs. Benetti  

The 78 vs. Rate Field vs. suburban stadium site 

Ishbia vs. JR 

Getz vs. Hahn/KW

I say options B, A, A, and neither.

Schriffen won the battle but Benetti won the war by moving on to better opportunities.

However, Jerry gets a little enjoyment every time he sees Schriffen eat something neatly.

Edited January 12Jan 12 by WhiteSox2023

12 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

I'd much rather argue about the following than Matt Shaw's right wing politics:

Schriffen vs. Benetti  

The 78 vs. Rate Field vs. suburban stadium site 

Ishbia vs. JR 

Getz vs. Hahn/KW

I say options B, A, A, and neither.

B
A > B > C
A. Is this even debatable?
Hold a gun to my head A
 

Edited January 12Jan 12 by DoUEvenShift

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Schriffen won the battle but Benetti won the war by moving to better opportunities.

However, Jerry gets a little enjoyment every time he sees Schriffen eat something neatly.

Yeah, things worked about great for Jason!

22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I feel bad for starting this conversation.  Honestly, it was just about the potential for acquiring a guy in Shaw who is now blocked at 3B by Bregman, he can play other positions than 3B in 2B and could potentially be tried in the outfield (LF) since he played it in college.  Also, perhaps his trade value is down a bit.

Quite honestly, I could care less if he was/is a CK and/or Trump supporter or instead worshipped the triumvirate of Hillary, Biden, and Kamala.  In my mind, I separate sports from politics and I don’t see Shaw wearing a CK or MAGA hat while he’s playing in a game.

The rumor about him pushing back against swing changes suggested by Cubs coaches is a concern, but not his political leanings.

Quite ironic that Shaw's job was taken by an American citizen. 

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

Quite ironic that Shaw's job was taken by an American citizen. 

Another fear was realized, though. 

31 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

I'd much rather argue about the following than Matt Shaw's right wing politics:

Schriffen vs. Benetti  

The 78 vs. Rate Field vs. suburban stadium site 

Ishbia vs. JR 

Getz vs. Hahn/KW

I say options B, A, A, and neither.

You sure about this one?  Not sure I can take any more on poor soil and the lack of ingress/egress at the 78 site.