1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

1.5 fWAR.  Considering his sub .700 OPS, and filtering out the hype that accompanied him, the 1.5 is more believable.

Yep, in his rookie season.  Meanwhile, people were excited about Vargas’s supposed turnaround in his fourth MLB season and he finished with a 1.3 fWAR.

9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I didn’t say that.  If the price is right however…  You don’t usually get to acquire another team’s top prospects unless they have some sort of warts.  I think he is interesting because he can play 2B and 3B and he could potentially be moved to the outfield.

Besides, wasn’t it our “star” CF’er who didn’t even know one of the coach’s names — Charlie Montoyo?  Vargas moping around for half a season.  You act like the Sox roster is a bastion of amazing team players.  I thought only Schriffen truly believed that.

I think Shaw's in a similar place as Quero, speaking only in baseball terms. Former top prospect, has shown they can survive the bigs, but still has more growth to be realized. It's a buy-low/sell-low that doesn't necessarily work for the Cubs. 

Robert's a bit of a mope. Vargas crashed and burned in real time. I act like Robert and Vargas are the great teammates that their teammates keep saying they are. Neither are uncoachable, as Law said of Shaw. 

If they can get Shaw for ten cents on the dollar, should absolutely do that. Would think he could profile as a good LFer too.

I do not want Matt Shaw on this team. I don’t think he could stomach being on the south side anyway… for reasons. Plus, he puts himself before the team. 

14 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

I do not want Matt Shaw on this team. I don’t think he could stomach being on the south side anyway… for reasons. Plus, he puts himself before the team. 

Reasons that have nothing to do with baseball.  He couldn’t stomach playing for a team that is much worse than his current team?  Yeah, makes sense.

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3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

No idea why they'd rather have bregman than tucker. 

That trade was so dumb.

37 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think Shaw's in a similar place as Quero, speaking only in baseball terms. Former top prospect, has shown they can survive the bigs, but still has more growth to be realized. It's a buy-low/sell-low that doesn't necessarily work for the Cubs. 

Robert's a bit of a mope. Vargas crashed and burned in real time. I act like Robert and Vargas are the great teammates that their teammates keep saying they are. Neither are uncoachable, as Law said of Shaw. 

Shaw for Quero sounds good to me

42 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Reasons that have nothing to do with baseball.  He couldn’t stomach playing for a team that is much worse than his current team?  Yeah, makes sense.

Nobody wanted Mike Clevenger for reasons that have nothing to do with baseball, either. I would definitely do Ben Cowles for Shaw and cash. 

20 minutes ago, almagest said:

Shaw for Quero sounds good to me

I’m not trading our best trade asset for an infielder when you consider what we have in the pipeline/draft.

24 minutes ago, almagest said:

That trade was so dumb.

Especially if they sign Bellinger lol

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody wanted Mike Clevenger for reasons that have nothing to do with baseball, either. I would definitely do Ben Cowles for Shaw and cash. 

Shaw wasn’t accused of domestic abuse.  He actually didn’t commit a crime at all.  I know your post is in jest but no one wants Cowles, not even the Sox.

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

I’m not trading our best trade asset for an infielder when you consider what we have in the pipeline/draft.

Yeah, no idea why we’d waste trade resources on another infielder.

27 minutes ago, almagest said:

That trade was so dumb.

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Especially if they sign Bellinger lol

Why are people comparing Bregman to Tucker.  Is Tucker going to sign for $175 million?

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Shaw wasn’t accused of domestic abuse.  He actually didn’t commit a crime at all.  I know your post is in jest but no one wants Cowles, not even the Sox.

Leaving your teammates in the middle of a playoff run is typically frowned upon

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, in his rookie season.  Meanwhile, people were excited about Vargas’s supposed turnaround in his fourth MLB season and he finished with a 1.3 fWAR.

Meidrotyh with a 1.3...few seem excited and he can play SS.

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Yeah, no idea why we’d waste trade resources on another infielder.

He played outfield in college and there has been speculation that the Cubs could try him there again with the Bregman signing.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Leaving your teammates in the middle of a playoff run is typically frowned upon

He attended a funeral.  For shame.

2 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Meidrotyh with a 1.3...few seem excited and he can play SS.

Meidroth also has zero power potential.

Cubs2023 up in here. 

26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Leaving your teammates in the middle of a playoff run is typically frowned upon

I seem to recall him having the full support of his team and the organization. 

25 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Meidroth also has zero power potential.

Shaw certainly has more power potential than Meidroth due to their profiles, but Shaw baseball savant page is much uglier. The guy swings a whiffle bat. 

2 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

I seem to recall him having the full support of his team and the organization. 

The front office gave him the ok…I haven’t seen anything to suggest the players supported it.  Pretty sure I read or heard somewhere that many didn’t.

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The front office gave him the ok…I haven’t seen anything to suggest the players supported it.  Pretty sure I read or heard somewhere that many didn’t.

Link?  Because it appears that @TheBooneLoganEra is correct.

“I was very thankful for how the team responded,” Shaw said. “Allowing me to do that was really special of them. [President of baseball operations Jed Hoyer and manager Craig Counsell] and all the veteran players that I talked to and, really, the whole team, having their support was really important to me.”

“I had turmoil [over] what I should do,” Shaw said. “I made sure that everybody I talked to, I had their support. That they knew why I was going -- that I wasn't leaving just to leave, that it was something that was really important to my faith. Again, it was really nice to see how everybody was able to support me in that moment.”

 

58 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody wanted Mike Clevenger for reasons that have nothing to do with baseball, either. I would definitely do Ben Cowles for Shaw and cash. 

Plus he was a shitty baseballer for the last of it too

1 hour ago, almagest said:

That trade was so dumb.

We all knew they wouldn't resign Tucker, because the Ricketts are cheap AF