White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite

[southsider2k5]

Note the date of the tweet?

 

[southsider2k5]

Again, note the date.

 

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Anything I've read about Shaw since Bregman's signing is that the Cubs see him as a super-utility dude. He's their top prospect. Of course the Cubs would want a s%*#-ton back in trade for him. What do you think the Sox would want for Colson Montgomery?

I’m not disagreeing with you.  But I don’t agree with SS2K5’s post that the Cubs have been trying to get rid of him since he got there.

[wegner]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again, note the date.

 

Then again, it is Bruce Levine. He very well could just post something like that today....it's not like Mr. Baseball ever says much of substance

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I guess we are going to do the Shaw thing again, but even the "excused absence" thing isn't it.

https://www.chicitysports.com/chicago-cubs-matt-shaw-trade-alex-bregman-nico-hoerner

That’s Law’s own narrative on the absence, not the team’s, or his teammates’.  However, the “resistance to help from the Cubs’ staff” is a good argument.

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, wegner said:

Then again, it is Bruce Levine. He very well could just post something like that today....it's not like Mr. Baseball ever says much of substance

There were a ton of rumors out there about him being in various trades at the deadline to improve 3B.  Enough so that Bruce asked him about it.  And not only were they looking to improve the position he played, they were talking about him in trades to do it.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I’m not disagreeing with you.  But I don’t agree with SS2K5’s post that the Cubs have been trying to get rid of him since he got there.

I think they question his make-up since promotion. 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

I think they question his make-up since promotion. 

Yep, I just agreed with that notion regarding the rumor about him not listening to the Cubs staff involving suggested mechanical changes by the Cubs staff.

[wegner]

Can I just say one of the most interesting things about Soxtalk is how a thread about signing Jared Kelenic can just easily morph into a thread about Matt Shaw.....miss a little, miss alot.

[WhiteSox2023]

11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Again, note the date.

 

There were trade rumors that the Cubs were looking to improve their offense and 3B was an obvious position to improve.  They had Shaw, Jon Berti, and old man Justin Turner and none of them were hitting in the first half.  Eugenio Suarez was the supposed target.

However, Shaw started hitting better toward the trade deadline and Suarez’s cost was likely deemed too high.

[Quin]

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

Can I just say one of the most interesting things about Soxtalk is how a thread about signing Jared Kelenic can just easily morph into a thread about Matt Shaw.....miss a little, miss alot.

That's nothing.

Let me tell you about Chris Getz's greatest sins and we'll go on a 3-page detour about Cam Booser for Fajardo.

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

Can I just say one of the most interesting things about Soxtalk is how a thread about signing Jared Kelenic can just easily morph into a thread about Matt Shaw.....miss a little, miss alot.

Don’t blame me.  @SoxAce was the first poster to bring him up in this thread.  😉

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

45 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

That I’m not sure of, but will admit it seems a little odd a face value.  That being said, how often are guys signed to minor league deals assured major league spots?

I don't they are necessarily assured a starting gig, but I do believe teams sign guys to NRI's with handshake agreements they have a higher chance to make the team in order to not disrupt or make any rash decisions regarding the 40-Man roster before heading into ST. It just seems like Kelenic has a great shot at making the team, they obviously really like his potential, and there are glaring holes in the OF. Baldwin is literally his only competition and he is most definitely not a RF. Montgomery is in the wings, but there is literally no reason to hand him the job or rush him to the majors after only 125 AB's in Birmingham.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, wegner said:

Can I just say one of the most interesting things about Soxtalk is how a thread about signing Jared Kelenic can just easily morph into a thread about Matt Shaw.....miss a little, miss alot.

Personally... Alexander Canario. Just sayin'. 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

Personally... Alexander Canario. Just sayin'. 

Getz will sign him next offseason after he hits 35+ homers in Japan.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I don't they are necessarily assured a starting gig, but I do believe teams sign guys to NRI's with handshake agreements they have a higher chance to make the team in order to not disrupt or make any rash decisions regarding the 40-Man roster before heading into ST. It just seems like Kelenic has a great shot at making the team, they obviously really like his potential, and there are glaring holes in the OF. Baldwin is literally his only competition and he is most definitely not a RF. Montgomery is in the wings, but there is literally no reason to hand him the job or rush him to the majors after only 125 AB's in Birmingham.

Wasn't Kevin Pillar a minor league contract with a NRI, and he was already penciled into the 2024 opening day roster?

[WhiteSox2023]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Wasn't Kevin Pillar a minor league contract with a NRI, and he was already penciled into the 2024 opening day roster?

Pretty much.  I would put Brandon Drury in the same boat from last offseason until he got injured right before the season started.

I think Pillar had a minor league deal in which he would earn $3 million if he made the team so they cut him and resigned him for $1 million instead.  🤣

Edited 1 hour ago by WhiteSox2023

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Wasn't Kevin Pillar a minor league contract with a NRI, and he was already penciled into the 2024 opening day roster?

I believe he was. It's not the first time the Sox have a fringe guy on a NRI make the team. Jesse Chavez is another guy that comes to mind. He was a NRI, imploded in ST, and the Sox clearly cut him because you couldn't justify having him make the team and he didn't want to go to the minors (supposedly he even contemplated retirement). He signs with Atlanta, and gets his contract purchased before opening day and appears in 46 games for them (and was good).

Edited 1 hour ago by CWSpalehoseCWS

[southsider2k5]

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

There were trade rumors that the Cubs were looking to improve their offense and 3B was an obvious position to improve.  They had Shaw, Jon Berti, and old man Justin Turner and none of them were hitting in the first half.  Eugenio Suarez was the supposed target.

However, Shaw started hitting better toward the trade deadline and Suarez’s cost was likely deemed too high.

And now they get to a few months later, and they spend $175 million to replace him.

I don't know what the hang up on another post-hype flop is, but it is positively Getzian.

[Bob Sacamano]

10 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I don't they are necessarily assured a starting gig, but I do believe teams sign guys to NRI's with handshake agreements they have a higher chance to make the team in order to not disrupt or make any rash decisions regarding the 40-Man roster before heading into ST. It just seems like Kelenic has a great shot at making the team, they obviously really like his potential, and there are glaring holes in the OF. Baldwin is literally his only competition and he is most definitely not a RF. Montgomery is in the wings, but there is literally no reason to hand him the job or rush him to the majors after only 125 AB's in Birmingham.

Yeah teams do this to give themselves flexibility during the rest of the offseason. 

[WhiteSox2023]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And now they get to a few months later, and they spend $175 million to replace him.

I don't know what the hang up on another post-hype flop is, but it is positively Getzian.

That is exactly what it is — if he did already break out, there would be no chance to acquire him.  But he is still fairly new to the majors without repeated seasons of failure.  Meanwhile, sometimes players who initially look mediocre or terrible can break out.  Haven’t we sort of seen that a little with Sosa and Vargas?

Edited 1 hour ago by WhiteSox2023

[Chisoxfn]

1 hour ago, fathom said:

I agree with him

Agree - they are doing a press conference for a non-roster invite. 

[Bob Sacamano]

2 hours ago, DirtySox said:

I hope he's a late bloomer, realizes his potential, and @Harold's Leg Lift makes his triumphant return to s%*# on us all about it.

It would be cool

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That is exactly what it is — if he did already break out, there would be no chance to acquire him.  But he is still fairly new to the majors without repeated seasons of failure.  Meanwhile, sometimes players who initially look mediocre or terrible can break out.  Haven’t we sort of seen that a little with Sosa and Vargas?

Sosa was a Latin American signing.  We gave up only cash to get him.  Vargas kind of makes my point for me.  We could have had real prospects with longer control, but instead we got Vargas.  Wonderful.

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sosa was a Latin American signing.  We gave up only cash to get him.  Vargas kind of makes my point for me.  We could have had real prospects with longer control, but instead we got Vargas.  Wonderful.

The only point that I was making with Sosa and Vargas is that sometimes young players don’t pan out and excel immediately.

Edited 1 hour ago by WhiteSox2023