21 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

wtf

Beat me to it.  Seriously.

35 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

That video of Kelenic walking around Safeco and seeing a picture of Jean Segura, then awkwardly saying "his kid died" is something else.

He's a fucking idiot. When he broke his foot on the cooler not a single team mate or coach even tried to defend him. And then he did a crying interview on the Mariners affiliate station here which only stirred up more scrutiny. He's a headcase on top of his problems hitting and catching a baseball.

Edited January 2Jan 2 by chitownsportsfan

7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

He's a fucking idiot. When he broke his foot on the cooler not a single team mate or coach even tried to defend him. And then he did a crying interview on the Mariners affiliate station here which only stirred up more scrutiny. He's a headcase on top of his problems hitting and catching a baseball.

I was using Google AI to find a nice summary of why Kelenic is a dbag do SS2K5 but all of you guys already provided much better information.  🤣

23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Beat me to it.  Seriously.

That clip is a little out of context, even though it was still a weird thing to say.

He was basically saying that his kid passed away and it really affected his play. Again, weird thing to bring up but he wasn't like "Jean Segura, his kid died" end of statement. 

Edited January 2Jan 2 by T R U

14 minutes ago, T R U said:

That clip is a little out of context, even though it was still a weird thing to say.

He was basically saying that his kid passed away and it really affected his play. Again, weird thing to bring up but he wasn't like "Jean Segura, his kid died" end of statement. 

The context doesn’t really make that comment any better or less weird.

Edited January 2Jan 2 by Bob Sacamano

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

The context doesn’t really make that comment any better or less weird.

Yeah, like I said it was weird

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

The context doesn’t really make that comment any better or less weird.

Here's more of the full context. He does say "I felt horrible" but you are right, at the very minimum a super weird/cringy moment.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0atKtqL5iV/?hl=en

3 minutes ago, T R U said:

Yeah, like I said it was weird

 

3 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Here's more of the full context. He does say "I felt horrible" but you are right, at the very minimum a super weird/cringy moment.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0atKtqL5iV/?hl=en

Having said that, I'm not going to hold a dumb comment from when someone was young over their heads forever.

10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

 

Having said that, I'm not going to hold a dumb comment from when someone was young over their heads forever.

If he was THAT hated, it wasn't just one comment. 

16 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Here's more of the full context. He does say "I felt horrible" but you are right, at the very minimum a super weird/cringy moment.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0atKtqL5iV/?hl=en

That almost makes it worse.  He’s talking about it with a weirdass smirk on his face.  And to bother to even mention how a player slumped at the plate after his infant died is even more out of touch with reality.

Edited January 2Jan 2 by WhiteSox2023

9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

 

Having said that, I'm not going to hold a dumb comment from when someone was young over their heads forever.

That's the problem when ball players get out beyond "can just play one game at a time" and all that gibberish. Somebody had him on camera and probably asked him to comment on the signs. That's the thing he remembers about Segura. It would be weird if he knew about that struggle, and then only talked about his sunflower seed eating, or whatnot. 

I am starting to think that:

1. There are plenty of Sox FO members who lurk here.

2. They signed Kelenic as an act of trolling ST.

Put me officially down for believing that Pereira is far more likely to be a positive contributor next year than Kelenic.  Beyond being a bit of a head case, it just feels like Kelenic’s physical tools have deteriorated some since his prospect glory days and he hasn’t really shown any signs of improvement with his swing & miss issues.  I think people are excited because of the name and former prospect status, but I don’t really see much of a reason to believe.

With Pereira, he’s made some small gains with his plate discipline in the upper minors and I feel like his combo of power and ability to walk could result in him being a productive three outcome type of hitter eventually.  No guarantee there, but I do feel like his chances of being a solid 4th OF / short side platoon bat is fairly high and that’s far more optimistic than I feel about Kelenic right now.

14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Put me officially down for believing that Pereira is far more likely to be a positive contributor next year than Kelenic.  Beyond being a bit of a head case, it just feels like Kelenic’s physical tools have deteriorated some since his prospect glory days and he hasn’t really shown any signs of improvement with his swing & miss issues.  I think people are excited because of the name and former prospect status, but I don’t really see much of a reason to believe.

With Pereira, he’s made some small gains with his plate discipline in the upper minors and I feel like his combo of power and ability to walk could result in him being a productive three outcome type of hitter eventually.  No guarantee there, but I do feel like his chances of being a solid 4th OF / short side platoon bat is fairly high and that’s far more optimistic than I feel about Kelenic right now.

But you want to bring back Tauchman?  Speaking of deterioration…

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

But you want to bring back Tauchman?  Speaking of deterioration…

Yes, I’d like to bring back a player who just put up a 115 wRC+ and 1.4 fWAR despite some physical deterioration from age & injury.  He’d obviously have to pass a physical and would have to come cheap, but at say $2M I’d bring him on and run him out there until he breaks down.  When that inevitably happens, the hope is either Braden is ready or someone like Pereira is ready for a bigger role.

Meanwhile, you want to hand a starting role to a post hype prospect that has lost some athleticism, comes with significant makeup concerns, has a career 84 wRC+ and 0.9 fWAR over essentially 2.5 seasons, and is coming off a 64 wRC+ in AAA.  If you hand him the LF job, you are very likely looking at a negative win player.  The only reason people are excited about him is because it’s a name they remember from top prospects lists a few years back.  Unfortunately, the reality is a 35 year old and injured Tauchman would almost certainly blow Kelenic out of the water next year in terms of production.  If Kelenic can show some signs of improvement at AAA, then he’ll find a way to get an opportunity.  Until then, he should be below even Tristan Peters on the depth chart.

One thing I don't understand in this thread is people talking like "give Kelenic a chance," as if he hasn't gotten 1500 PA's over the past 4+ years. Why should he be treated differently than any other minor league add? A starters job? Guy should be lucky to be a 4th outfielder at this point. 

Fuller will fix him is becoming a pretty fun MEME though.

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

One thing I don't understand in this thread is people talking like "give Kelenic a chance," as if he hasn't gotten 1500 PA's over the past 4+ years. Why should he be treated differently than any other minor league add? A starters job? Guy should be lucky to be a 4th outfielder at this point. 

Fuller will fix him is becoming a pretty fun MEME though.

Especially after a couple of years of "character matter" propaganda. 

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Especially after a couple of years of "character matter" propaganda. 

Sox choose cheapness over that BS no matter what they say.

Kelenic stinks. I doubt the Sox are guaranteeing him anything, and if they are they're stupid. Don't mind taking the shot to see if they can "fix" him to be a positive contributor but I expect he'll either be in AAA or released to go play overseas by the start of the season.

40 minutes ago, almagest said:

Kelenic stinks. I doubt the Sox are guaranteeing him anything, and if they are they're stupid. Don't mind taking the shot to see if they can "fix" him to be a positive contributor but I expect he'll either be in AAA or released to go play overseas by the start of the season.

He’ll probably play a month or two in Charlotte and get released, and we will never hear from him again. But I really don’t mind the signing, just expecting zero.

2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

He’ll probably play a month or two in Charlotte and get released, and we will never hear from him again. But I really don’t mind the signing, just expecting zero.

I’m all for the signing too, but let’s not treat it more than it is.  Minor league lottery ticket at a position of weakness.  He’s got to show he is not 30% worse of a hitter than Dominic Fletcher before I start considering him for the majors.

5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Yes, I’d like to bring back a player who just put up a 115 wRC+ and 1.4 fWAR despite some physical deterioration from age & injury.  He’d obviously have to pass a physical and would have to come cheap, but at say $2M I’d bring him on and run him out there until he breaks down.  When that inevitably happens, the hope is either Braden is ready or someone like Pereira is ready for a bigger role.

Meanwhile, you want to hand a starting role to a post hype prospect that has lost some athleticism, comes with significant makeup concerns, has a career 84 wRC+ and 0.9 fWAR over essentially 2.5 seasons, and is coming off a 64 wRC+ in AAA.  If you hand him the LF job, you are very likely looking at a negative win player.  The only reason people are excited about him is because it’s a name they remember from top prospects lists a few years back.  Unfortunately, the reality is a 35 year old and injured Tauchman would almost certainly blow Kelenic out of the water next year in terms of production.  If Kelenic can show some signs of improvement at AAA, then he’ll find a way to get an opportunity.  Until then, he should be below even Tristan Peters on the depth chart.

I just said I’d add another lefty outfielder on a cheap one year deal and suggested Verdugo.

More disposable paper plates for the summer BBQ. Save the good stuff for 2027. 

"Hey JR, we bought another scratch off ticket." 

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I just said I’d add another lefty outfielder on a cheap one year deal and suggested Verdugo.

Verdugo, Verdahgo. They're all just bodies, pile 'em up, run 'em out. Feel no shame, all teams do this. Kelenic is their particular poison this spring. The weird thing is that MLB has completely f-ed up their off-season, so teams are still building their rosters in the middle of February. It gets tiresome refreshing Twitter for 3 months.