Non-White Sox Off-Season Hot Stove

[champagne030]

12 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

The Dodgers turned Lux into Mike Sirota and the 41st pick in last summer’s draft.  One year later the Reds turn Lux into Brock freaking Burke.  Think the Reds want a redo on that original trade? They do it without spending money too.

[Sleepy Harold]

 

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

 

My lord.. They have too many infielders lol.. It seems very much like making a move, just to make a move. I guess they have more infielders to trade us for Robert now

Edited 1 hour ago by Squirmin' for Yermin

[Sleepy Harold]

 

[Capn12]

42 million a year for Bo Bichette?

 

Yeah, we're getting a lockout.

[fathom]

4 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

My lord.. They have too many infielders lol.. It seems very much like making a move, just to make a move. I guess they have more infielders to trade us for Robert now

Robert for Vientos?

[ChiSoxFanMike]

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Robert for Vientos?

If we’re trading for a Mets infielder, I’d rather have Baty.

[fathom]

1 minute ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

If we’re trading for a Mets infielder, I’d rather have Baty.

Agreed but I don’t think he’s available 

[Bob Sacamano]

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Agreed but I don’t think he’s available 

Where’s he going to play lol you figure Lindor at SS, Semien probably at 3B, Bichette at 2B. Unless they’re able to move Semien.

Edit: I guess Baty can get at bats at corners and DH

Edited 1 hour ago by Bob Sacamano

[ChiSoxFanMike]

5 minutes ago, fathom said:

Agreed but I don’t think he’s available 

I don’t know man, the Mets infield is super crowded now while their outfield is a disaster after Soto. They could possibly just sign Bellinger, but I feel like Robert is one of their best options at this point.

[WhiteSox2023]

13 minutes ago, fathom said:

Robert for Vientos?

Nope, worse.  Acuna.  🤣

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, Ducksnort said:

I mean it's not theoretical, it's real. Spending 4 times the amount won them 93 games, only 3 more than San Diego. You'd think all this money would win them like 130 games a season or something but it doesn't. So while spending money certainly helps, it isn't everything. Milwaukee won 97 games last year, won their division by 5 games. Small market team in a division with a large market team. There are other examples.

Until the data represents the Dodgers spending an exorbitant amount of money on players equals them singlehandedly monopolizing the league year after year after year through wins and championships, to answer your question yes I am completely fine with them being able to spend 4x the amount of other teams. 

 

What you’re ignoring is the fact that the Dodgers have essentially bought themselves a guaranteed playoff spot every year.  No go look at the bottom 10 clubs and see how frequently they make the playoffs.  When you’re rocking a sub $100M payroll, your margin for error for development, health, & even luck is basically zero.  The Dodgers don’t deal with these same challenges the can afford insane levels of depth.  They can also build a team that is optimized to win World Series and reduce a lot of the volatility that is the MLB playoffs.

Let me frame this another way…why is is this a good thing?  Who is benefiting from the Dodgers outspending many teams but a 4x to 5x ratio?

[WhiteSox2023]

This is why some posters were interested in Shaw, even though the Sox infield is full.  But Conforto is still good, right?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by WhiteSox2023

[fathom]

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

This is why some posters were interested in Shaw, even though the Sox infield is full.  But Conforto is still good, right?

 

The asking price would have been Schultz or something along those lines 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 minute ago, fathom said:

The asking price would have been Schultz or something along those lines 

Not so sure about that, but we will likely never know either way.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

This is an absolutely absurd post.  The Dodgers have a regional TV deal that lets them outspend the competition and the dumb MLB has limited rules in place that prevent them from doing so.  Glad you think it’s cool a sport has no market size parity.

And yet they plan on adding 2 more expansion teams and realigning the divisions and letting the abyss between the haves and have nots widen . 162 game schedule with more games likely added to a playoff structure with 8 divisions winners and 4 team divisions once there are 32 teams. Playoff snow games with playoffs expanding into November. 

The players union will eventually crack with the disparity in wages of top earners and all the other players . 3 players on the Dodgers roster  make more in one year than the 26 man rosters of multiple teams. The needs of the many will eventually trump the needs of the few or Baseball will break .There will be more and more gambling scandals in coming years. That can of worms is just going to get messier and messier. 

[Ducksnort]

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What you’re ignoring is the fact that the Dodgers have essentially bought themselves a guaranteed playoff spot every year.  No go look at the bottom 10 clubs and see how frequently they make the playoffs.  When you’re rocking a sub $100M payroll, your margin for error for development, health, & even luck is basically zero.  The Dodgers don’t deal with these same challenges the can afford insane levels of depth.  They can also build a team that is optimized to win World Series and reduce a lot of the volatility that is the MLB playoffs.

Let me frame this another way…why is is this a good thing?  Who is benefiting from the Dodgers outspending many teams but a 4x to 5x ratio?

Everyone associated with the Dodgers organization including their fans and minor league teams, and Japan, which in turn is good for MLB. And theoretically it should make other teams also want to do and spend more to win, but greed is a powerful thing.

I don't think the reality of Ohtani can be ignored here though. If there is no Ohtani I'd bet the Dodgers wouldn't be spending on players like they are. They get so much more money from him just being on the team. It's just like with Jordan and what he did with the Bulls. Made them a global sensation and that has lingered even to this day as they've been completely mediocre since his last days. The Bulls have money like they do today because of MJ (they just have a cheap ass owner that is also incompetent). The Dodgers have money because of Ohtani. 

[Bob Sacamano]

Also, Mets were better off just keeping Alonso I feel

[Bob Sacamano]

13 minutes ago, fathom said:

The asking price would have been Schultz or something along those lines 

Put up a 3.1 WAR season while playing a new position. The Cubs aren’t just going to give him away. They’re better off holding onto him for injuries and when/if Nico leaves

[southsider2k5]

18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What you’re ignoring is the fact that the Dodgers have essentially bought themselves a guaranteed playoff spot every year.  No go look at the bottom 10 clubs and see how frequently they make the playoffs.  When you’re rocking a sub $100M payroll, your margin for error for development, health, & even luck is basically zero.  The Dodgers don’t deal with these same challenges the can afford insane levels of depth.  They can also build a team that is optimized to win World Series and reduce a lot of the volatility that is the MLB playoffs.

Let me frame this another way…why is is this a good thing?  Who is benefiting from the Dodgers outspending many teams but a 4x to 5x ratio?

Why is it better that so many teams refuse to compete and to bring the league down to that level?

[Ducksnort]

8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

And yet they plan on adding 2 more expansion teams and realigning the divisions and letting the abyss between the haves and have nots widen . 162 game schedule with more games likely added to a playoff structure with 8 divisions winners and 4 team divisions once there are 32 teams. Playoff snow games with playoffs expanding into November. 

The players union will eventually crack with the disparity in wages of top earners and all the other players . 3 players on the Dodgers roster  make more in one year than the 26 man rosters of multiple teams. The needs of the many will eventually trump the needs of the few or Baseball will break .There will be more and more gambling scandals in coming years. That can of worms is just going to get messier and messier. 

So maybe a salary cap won't be as far fetched a reality as we all thought.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

25 minutes ago, Ducksnort said:

So maybe a salary cap won't be as far fetched a reality as we all thought.

I think that's where this is leading to eventually .Not sure baseball would have a cap without a floor though.

Baseball doesnt want teams to fold and the players union doesnt want less jobs .The owners keep making the season longer and longer for extra playoff money . Something has to give. Fans will become more bored and angry with the Dodgers and whoever wins in the AL . Some gambling addicted angry fan who lost everything is going to come out guns blazing one day at some rich player who went 0-5 or dropped a pass . Fan's will find other means of entertainment. Can't keep milking them in this volatile political and economic situation. 

Edited 22 minutes ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

My lord.. They have too many infielders lol.. It seems very much like making a move, just to make a move. I guess they have more infielders to trade us for Robert now

Why do they want infielders though?

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Why do they want infielders though?

I mean, I wouldn't think they'd want one.. But if it's also the best offer you get by quite a bit, you just take it.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

My lord.. They have too many infielders lol.. It seems very much like making a move, just to make a move. I guess they have more infielders to trade us for Robert now

Feels like a move made to not look dumb after Tweeting about watching for smoke lol