White Sox sign RHP Seranthony Domínguez, 2/20M

[hogan873]

4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

It’s highly likely that Domínguez has more trade value than Robert in 6 months.

Probably already does.  Dominguez has pitched pretty well, consistently.  He's already a late-inning asset.  If the Sox can use him as an effective closer, he'll be quite valuable.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Shut up Jeff ! Winning the off season we lost Luis Robert out of our great OF and now its pitiful ! 😜

Be careful, you might have said something positive about Luis Robert to a dour-head bemoaning life, and now you'll be branded as a flip-flopper. 

[hogan873]

2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

If they add Giolito and Bader to what they’ve already done, I’m not sure I could ask for much more (understanding the financial constraints imposed by Jerry).

If they can only spend the $20 million, one of Bader or Giolito is possible.  But, if Get was given a little flexibility and could spend a little more...

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

This is something I have criticized Getz for the past two years.  The closer spot in a rebuild season should be utilized by a vet with good stuff who hasn’t had a shot at closing up until then.  We lost out on some real flip value the past two deadlines by being so cheap in how we filled our bullpen.

Can you give me an example of this happening? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I just didn't see one when scanning.

Bad team signs closer to 10+ million annual contract, trades them at deadline for big return. I'll even take a big name reliever being signed and traded a few months later as an example as I think that still counts.

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

If they can only spend the $20 million, one of Bader or Giolito is possible.  But, if Get was given a little flexibility and could spend a little more...

Giolito probably eats that up himself. 

[Chicago White Sox]

11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, great chance for them to only spend 5 million of the dollars.

I said it last year and the year before. Signing a player with the idea to flip them has never made sense to me and so far, it's basically never worked.

It's something fans of rebuilding teams dream up, but doesn't have a lot of history of success or consistency. While relievers see value spikes at deadline, it requires a guy to be elite or truly change who they were before you signed them for their value to exceed their contract they just signed by enough to cash in. 

I don’t really agree.  If you believe in his arm and give him more high leverage opportunities than previously provided, then it’s reasonable to expect his value to go up if pitches as you project him to.  Yes, relievers are volatile and there is no guarantee this works out, but closers are always over-valued as the deadline and this is a smart gamble a rebuilding club should take.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

14 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

It’s highly likely that Domínguez has more trade value than Robert in 6 months.

Luis Robert, according to the market, was worth 22 million + Acuna and another player (let's call it 27 million) this week.

All 30 teams just had a chance to sign Dominguez, and he got 10 million annually. 

It's certainly less likely that the market views Dominguez as being worth more than Robert in 6 months because the market just said he was clearly worth less today. That said, it doesn't mean he CAN'T be, but it's obviously not highly likely.

Edited 2 hours ago by Look at Ray Ray Run

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Outside of Newcomb, Murakami and this move, it's hard to pump up Anthony Kay and Acuna.

Passan said its the right direction  and it is . No one is dancing a jig and envisioning playoffs.  But maybe a path to a few more prospects and a bit more consistent winning while the foundational base thickens and prepares to one day be good enough to help the new owner be happy about what he's getting. 

[ChiSoxFanMike]

I like this signing a lot. They needed a proven leverage reliever and he has closer experience. And as others have said, he could be a very good trade chip if he performs.

And even in a scenario where he’s a disappointment, it’s only a 2 year deal that won’t cripple them in the long term.

[Baron]

23 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, great chance for them to only spend 5 million of the dollars.

I said it last year and the year before. Signing a player with the idea to flip them has never made sense to me and so far, it's basically never worked.

It's something fans of rebuilding teams dream up, but doesn't have a lot of history of success or consistency. While relievers see value spikes at deadline, it requires a guy to be elite or truly change who they were before you signed them for their value to exceed their contract they just signed by enough to cash in. 

I agree. Plus I think prospect hugging will be at an all time high this deadline going into 2027.

 

Fantastic job though by Getz bringing in a capable arm for the backend of this bullpen. Lots of losses last year due to not having reliable arms in the 8th and 9th. 

[Chicago White Sox]

10 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

If they add Giolito and Bader to what they’ve already done, I’m not sure I could ask for much more (understanding the financial constraints imposed by Jerry).

Pass on Bader!  Not against Giolito though if they can afford him.

[hogan873]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Giolito probably eats that up himself. 

It's hard to put a finger on what some of the remaining free agents might get, but Bader probably gets $8 million or so, and Giolito probably $10 million.  Hays and Giolito at $15 million total...maybe?

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Pass on Bader!  Not against Giolito though if they can afford him.

I just can't see Giolito coming back. Of course, if they have the highest offer that changes things but I can't see the Sox being seriously involved in that pool of starters.

[Baron]

If you need something to watch post lunch bored at work like me. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t really agree.  If you believe in his arm and give him more high leverage opportunities than previously provided, then it’s reasonable to expect his value to go up if pitches as you project him to.  Yes, relievers are volatile and there is no guarantee this works out, but closers are always over-valued as the deadline and this is a smart gamble a rebuilding club should take.

I'm going to look through this over the weekend because I just don't see it happening and probably for a few reasons.

It's not good to sign players with the intent to trade them. These are human beings after all, and guys don't like to sign to be moved, so from that perspective it's probably not a great PR strategy. 

Additionally, bad teams don't invest in bullpens because there is a premium attached to those signings based on the increased rate a good team will pay to gain small margins. Bullpens are like icing, in that you shouldn't be spending much time applying it if you don't have a cake first. 

So outside of fans dreaming these scenarios up, there just aren't many examples of a guy signing a RP contract and being worth substantially more 3 months later. Sox would be better off trying to showcase Taylor as the closer to maximize his value given his control and value in my opinion.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

My guesses on their remaining signings:

- Austin Hays (Fuller connection)

- Griffin Canning (rumored interest in him, maybe has some upside)

- German Marquez (very cheap/NRI type deal as an innings eater just in case)

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

It's hard to put a finger on what some of the remaining free agents might get, but Bader probably gets $8 million or so, and Giolito probably $10 million.  Hays and Giolito at $15 million total...maybe?

Merrill Kelley just got 2/$40, Michael King got $25. Giolito's established. If his market tanks, I'd think a show me contract gets him that $15M himself, at least. He came back from injury and didn't embarrass himself. 

[hogan873]

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Luis Robert, according to the market, was worth 22 million + Acuna and another player (let's call it 27 million) this week.

All 30 teams just had a chance to sign Dominguez, and he got 10 million annually. 

It's certainly less likely that the market views Dominguez as being worth more than Robert in 6 months because the market just said he was clearly worth less today. That said, it doesn't mean he CAN'T be, but it's obviously not highly likely.

Yeah...at market value, I agree.  I'm just thinking about a return in prospects if Dominguez is an effective closer and is dealt.  I would think the return might be better (more interesting anyway) than Robert's.

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Can you give me an example of this happening? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I just didn't see one when scanning.

Bad team signs closer to 10+ million annual contract, trades them at deadline for big return. I'll even take a big name reliever being signed and traded a few months later as an example as I think that still counts.

The prices for pitching and relief pitching at the last couple of deadlines has been crazy.    I think Getz tried to play that game last year by trading young prospects for old relievers so that he could get in on it, without actually spending any money, but obviously that failed.  At worst you get innings filled.  At best, baseball begs for pitching at the deadline.  Obviously the best deals for for cheap controlled relievers, but the market is what it is.  If this dude can even be a mid-tier closer, with an extra year of control, he's someone who should bring a top 100 and more.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-trade-deadline-2025-transaction-tracker

[Chicago White Sox]

14 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Can you give me an example of this happening? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I just didn't see one when scanning.

Bad team signs closer to 10+ million annual contract, trades them at deadline for big return. I'll even take a big name reliever being signed and traded a few months later as an example as I think that still counts.

I’d have to take a look for specific examples, but usually the big name relievers get scooped by the teams trying to compete.  Regardless, we know that legit closers command value at the deadline.  If Dominguez be successful in that role, he will have real trade value come July.

[Chicago White Sox]

13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Luis Robert, according to the market, was worth 22 million + Acuna and another player (let's call it 27 million) this week.

All 30 teams just had a chance to sign Dominguez, and he got 10 million annually. 

It's certainly less likely that the market views Dominguez as being worth more than Robert in 6 months because the market just said he was clearly worth less today. That said, it doesn't mean he CAN'T be, but it's obviously not highly likely.

JustGottaBelieve is not even remotely objective when it comes to Robert

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The prices for pitching and relief pitching at the last couple of deadlines has been crazy.    I think Getz tried to play that game last year by trading young prospects for old relievers so that he could get in on it, without actually spending any money, but obviously that failed.  At worst you get innings filled.  At best, baseball begs for pitching at the deadline.  Obviously the best deals for for cheap controlled relievers, but the market is what it is.  If this dude can even be a mid-tier closer, with an extra year of control, he's someone who should bring a top 100 and more.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-trade-deadline-2025-transaction-tracker

If he was worth a top 100 and more, he would have gotten paid much more than 10 million a year. 

I don't see a 31 year old changing their league perceived value by that much in 3 months. He's ALWAYS had elite stuff too, and command is volatile. I agree pitching value increases, but history shows that's typically greater for for elite level arms. It's just not a viable or reasonable strategy imo.

[ptatc]

41 minutes ago, SouthSideGeorgia said:

Not a problem…. Just scratching my head at the Rule 5 takes now more than ever. 
 

Dominguez

Vasil

G. Taylor

Leasure

Gilbert

Murphy

Newcomb (7)

Paez and Alberto. Rule 5

 

Leasure at least has options and probably should be in AAA. But going to be extremely challenging for either now more than ever. 

Newcomb will start until some of the UCL group is ready.

You also forgot to add berroa will be ready at some point.

Edited 1 hour ago by ptatc

[Tnetennba]

33 minutes ago, almagest said:

 

Hahahaha sure (laughing at Pasan)

 

[T R U]

32 minutes ago, almagest said:

I like the Murakami signing and am hopefully Seranthony Dominguez can do well enough to be flipped at the deadline but this tweet feels like the same crowd who was taking victory laps over how much better the team is when they lose 100 games instead of 120. Its still a bad baseball team...

I also question how its the right direction when you consider if Murakami blows up, he's gone in 2 years and if Dominguez is really good, he's gone this year. 

Guys like Newcomb and Kay are the same veteran arms they have been signing the last few years anyways, not expecting a whole lot there and Luisangel Acuna is probably closer to being DFA than he is being a meaningful contributor to this team.

Maybe it is in the right direction, but there is an extremely long way to go in that direction still.