Team Breakout Article

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

22 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Actually I said I was concerned about his Ks and you laugh emoji like 3 posts in a row, and then you didn’t have s%*# to say when Colson had K issues.  Which has been the Cali experience for most everyone on this board.

Cali shows up, talks down to everyone, tells everyone how much better of a fan he is, then boasts about his fan positivity!

I love it, it’s great.  But again, I’m glad you are so concerned with what I think!

Im sorry I didnt know laugh emojis hurt your feelings. I promise I wont do it anymore to you since your such a stand up guy and never laugh at or make fun of anyone. 

I actually feel appreciated around here. Yea those Montgomery K's really kept a lot of people from praising him or adding him to the top 100 players in MLB recently. I'm sure that was just MLB Network clickbait or Sox propaganda because Im a blind sheep. 

I better watch out now the Tox-Talk posse is a comin after me with a noose 🤣

Edited 9 hours ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Kyyle23]

16 minutes ago, fathom said:

As someone that basically never gets into it with other posters, I’m so tired of every thread ending up with the same cast of characters bickering.  I’m not saying anyone is particularly wrong, but I speak for myself when I say I don’t even read what is posted by these posters when I see it’s become a personal argument.

Fair!  

[chitownsportsfan]

28 minutes ago, fathom said:

As someone that basically never gets into it with other posters, I’m so tired of every thread ending up with the same cast of characters bickering.  I’m not saying anyone is particularly wrong, but I speak for myself when I say I don’t even read what is posted by these posters when I see it’s become a personal argument.

The mods need to nip it in the bud. I saw this thread labeled "hot" this morning and figured maybe it was you know, about the article. Turns out it was just the same few people taking personal shots at each other mixed in with some baseball content here and there. I'm tired of it as well. As someone that grew out of that style posting years ago it confounds me that people don't just block and move on. Who has the energy and time to argue with the same folks over and over again once you're out of your 20s? 

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

My stance has been that neither Kelenic nor Brooks Baldwin should be handed an outfield job. The only outfielder deserving of that chance is Acuna.

I would obviously take Baldwin over Kelenic 100 times out of 100.

 

How are you deciding then he gets the job heading into Opening Day?  What data and info are you using to make that decision?

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, fathom said:

As someone that basically never gets into it with other posters, I’m so tired of every thread ending up with the same cast of characters bickering.  I’m not saying anyone is particularly wrong, but I speak for myself when I say I don’t even read what is posted by these posters when I see it’s become a personal argument.

It’s honestly exhausting.  At some point, we just need a ban bet to settle things and then condemn the loser to SoxMachine where they can suffer through an endless stream of Caulfield and South Side Hitman posts.

[WhiteSox2023]

13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It’s honestly exhausting.  At some point, we just need a ban bet to settle things and then condemn the loser to SoxMachine where they can suffer through an endless stream of Caulfield and South Side Hitman posts.

You have the magic touch.  You can make anyone disappear.

We just need another signing to discuss, but I think Getz is waiting out for one of Hays / Conforto / Tauchman to accept his offer of a MILB deal along with a $100 dollar gift card to Red Lobster.

Edited 8 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, fathom said:

As someone that basically never gets into it with other posters, I’m so tired of every thread ending up with the same cast of characters bickering.  I’m not saying anyone is particularly wrong, but I speak for myself when I say I don’t even read what is posted by these posters when I see it’s become a personal argument.

As someone who certainly pokes the bear for fun on occasion, there is something personal about how some guys take team criticism or peoples words/emojis/etc. I try to respond to the post and not the poster, but admittedly have trolled my pal Eddy a bit of late! I disagree based on the content and context, not the individual. I also just disagree with everyone because writing "i agree" feels like clutter.

Some people take it very personally while others get it. I couldn't care less if you call me names, laugh at my posts or get personal. Said it 100 times but none of this is more than entertainment with some occasional laughs.

Maybe @Chicago White Soxis right and im out of town stupid on some of the guys. I hope so! Because at the end of the day, I want nothing more than the Sox to be good. 

I just wont lower my standards to meet them in the garbage heap.

In general I agree, but ive always just ignored posts I dont want to read, and ive never been a content cop just like id never complain to an internet moderator about a poster. We're all adults, move on if youre not interested and please leave your feelings at the door. 

I do apologize to CWS for hurting his feelings by not being as good and detailed a poster!!!!

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

How are you deciding then he gets the job heading into Opening Day?  What data and info are you using to make that decision?

I think my entire point has evolved and been misrepresented.

My point was the Sox having the OF situation they do excludes them from having a "great" offseason. That, and the SP situation id argue.

They have arguably the worst OF and worst starting staff (on paper) entering the season. The roster situation itself is a failure. I never said Baldwin doesnt deserve a shot with the given roster. 

Im not sure where that got lost, but just clarifying.

[Chicago White Sox]

27 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I think my entire point has evolved and been misrepresented.

My point was the Sox having the OF situation they do excludes them from having a "great" offseason. That, and the SP situation id argue.

They have arguably the worst OF and worst starting staff (on paper) entering the season. The roster situation itself is a failure. I never said Baldwin doesnt deserve a shot with the given roster. 

Im not sure where that got lost, but just clarifying.

They have the worst outfield on paper hands down.  I just think that Baldwin showed enough last year to be given an everyday opportunity.  Yes, the defense is a question mark, but that’s explainable and hopefully addressable.  The bat was legit good after a tremendous run in AAA (go check his Statcast figures).  I might feel a little different if were trying to win the World Series next year, but alas we aren’t and he’s the type of guy you try turning into a everyday regular in a rebuilding season.

[Chicago White Sox]

39 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

As someone who certainly pokes the bear for fun on occasion, there is something personal about how some guys take team criticism or peoples words/emojis/etc. I try to respond to the post and not the poster, but admittedly have trolled my pal Eddy a bit of late! I disagree based on the content and context, not the individual. I also just disagree with everyone because writing "i agree" feels like clutter.

Some people take it very personally while others get it. I couldn't care less if you call me names, laugh at my posts or get personal. Said it 100 times but none of this is more than entertainment with some occasional laughs.

Maybe @Chicago White Soxis right and im out of town stupid on some of the guys. I hope so! Because at the end of the day, I want nothing more than the Sox to be good. 

I just wont lower my standards to meet them in the garbage heap.

In general I agree, but ive always just ignored posts I dont want to read, and ive never been a content cop just like id never complain to an internet moderator about a poster. We're all adults, move on if youre not interested and please leave your feelings at the door. 

I do apologize to CWS for hurting his feelings by not being as good and detailed a poster!!!!

I accept your apology pal 😁

[SoxBlanco]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

As someone who certainly pokes the bear for fun on occasion, there is something personal about how some guys take team criticism or peoples words/emojis/etc. I try to respond to the post and not the poster, but admittedly have trolled my pal Eddy a bit of late! I disagree based on the content and context, not the individual. I also just disagree with everyone because writing "i agree" feels like clutter.

Some people take it very personally while others get it. I couldn't care less if you call me names, laugh at my posts or get personal. Said it 100 times but none of this is more than entertainment with some occasional laughs.

Maybe @Chicago White Soxis right and im out of town stupid on some of the guys. I hope so! Because at the end of the day, I want nothing more than the Sox to be good. 

I just wont lower my standards to meet them in the garbage heap.

In general I agree, but ive always just ignored posts I dont want to read, and ive never been a content cop just like id never complain to an internet moderator about a poster. We're all adults, move on if youre not interested and please leave your feelings at the door. 

I do apologize to CWS for hurting his feelings by not being as good and detailed a poster!!!!

I don’t even think he was referring to you. Your arguments always seem to center around the baseball side of things. I enjoy reading your disagreements with people because they are logical and level-headed, even if I don’t always agree with what you’re saying. 

Meanwhile, the disagreements between people like southsider, Eddy, and Cali are nauseating. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

5 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I got them at over 66.5 just before the Robert deal. It's dropped 1 or 2 depending on the Sportsbook since the deal.

Ill put them at 65 wins, so feels like a toss up. Hoping you cash!

I like/have Detroit and Milwaukee over 82.5 and I have Jesus Luzardo to win Cy Young at 50-1.

[chitownsportsfan]

It is a little crazy I just looked at the Nats, Marlins, Twinkies, Pirates OF to see if any was worse projected and nope, our trio of .8 to 1 fWAR projected guys was easily the worst on paper. Minny without Buxton is similarly ugly, but they do have him if he can stay healthy. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

29 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

It is a little crazy I just looked at the Nats, Marlins, Twinkies, Pirates OF to see if any was worse projected and nope, our trio of .8 to 1 fWAR projected guys was easily the worst on paper. Minny without Buxton is similarly ugly, but they do have him if he can stay healthy. 

If you view by fangraphs depth charts, the Sox have the lowest projected WAR of all 30 teams at each outfield position too. It's pretty crazy.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, oldsox said:

I get the feeling people here consider Acuna to be better than Baldwin. Not me.

Combined they might be a pretty good OFer. As it is they have different strong points. 

Acuna is faster . Baldwin isnt slow.He's pretty fast too. Acuna is likely the better defensive OF. Looks like it was an easier transition to the OF moreso than Baldwin. But there's nothing preventing Baldwin from changing bad range into good range. He's fast  and athletic enough to make decent strides out there. 

Baldwin has shown more MLB power but he got that power swing down. He ambushes pitches early in the count because pitcher's want to get ahead in the count. He also found his footing after a rough start offensively when he was sent down and torched Charlotte. His last 3 months were promising. He's been pretty good for a 12th round pick.   Acuna has show flashes offensively but nothing sustained . They both have pretty fast bats Acuna is working on his fly ball swing. Baldwin has that part down. 

Projections favor Acuna by a little bit mainly because he racks up positive defensive WAR and Baldwin racked up negative defensive WAR. It seems easier to get an overall positive WAR based on defense overcoming offense than offense overcoming  bad defense especially if your walk rate is low.That seems to carry a lot of weight with offensive sabremetrics since they think power might not be sustainable without maintaining good swing decisions. K rate is not necessarily a product of poor swing decisions since many many HR hitters can combine a high K rate with a high walk rate.

Getz tends to stress certain things as a GM , LHH because its always a plus to have more strong side players, OBP which is a result of good swing decisions, enough power to result in more multi-run HR's for when you get the OBP. 

It all makes sense when  you look at the history of the Sox being worst in MLB history when its comes to LHH. I forgot the tweet from a few years ago that showed that or  what metric they used. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[fathom]

Baldwin needs to improve his righty swing dramatically if he wants to play full time.  Also, he gets a little too swing happy with RISP and chases a lot of bad pitches.  It’s worth it to give him this season.  As I said earlier, it would be great if either him or Acuna can perform well this year.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:

I don’t even think he was referring to you. Your arguments always seem to center around the baseball side of things. I enjoy reading your disagreements with people because they are logical and level-headed, even if I don’t always agree with what you’re saying. 

Meanwhile, the disagreements between people like southsider, Eddy, and Cali are nauseating. 

Me and Eddy are fighting an uphill battle amidst an onslaught of disgusted fans and tend to enjoy watching the young guys develop and find peace with that side of baseball. 

I already know that makes me an outcast among the majority of fans who are unwilling to see progress unless its reflected in the W-L record. 

I've had mods delete my posts and tell me to piss off. I'll get suspended if I show too much of a backbone so I try not to get into lengthy debates. I'm more hit and run now .They prefer to make fun of the meek posters who dont fight back a lot and are polite thats why the more positive people here don't post more. They get ganged up on. Yet it's the majority playing the victim. The Sox made me this way. I have every right to be pissy about it. They want their cake and to eat too , rule the school and be victims at the same time and silence the ones who push back. It's like a civil rights issue majority vs minority and they say majority rules.

Right now the board is dominated by angry fans but its not that way everywhere . I see a lot of good things and so do others . I just hate the High school atmosphere of making fun of people because they dont fight back because youre a jock and they are nerds for being nice. I rule the school crap because I post the most and my opinions are in the majority and just want the rest of you to stfu. 

I respect Lip and we can disagree on fundamental levels without bickering . Now Lip is in the majority of frustrated fans but there was a time when his politeness made him a target too.