10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Your comments about Machado are after the fact with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, he was a 4x All-Star, 3x Silver Slugger, and 2x Gold Glove SS/3B hitting free agency at the young age of 26. He also had amassed 35 bWAR at that point in his career. So yes, he did look like he was worth it.

What about Harper?

It also ignores if that it the original had been the 10 year $300 million deal that had been signed when Jerry pissed down his trousers to sign a top free agent, we would currently be in year eight of that deal, and would have gotten 27.2 bWAR, or 28.1 fWAR over the first 7 years (about 4 WAR per season or something under $8 million per WAR point) , not to mention 199 homers, 649 RBI, an .823 OPS, a large DWAR, etc.

Literally he would have already paid for himself.

5 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Is this a hybrid foodie account? Chicago Pope with a cartoon image of the pope holding a hot dog?

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Is this a hybrid foodie account? Chicago Pope with a cartoon image of the pope holding a hot dog?

Lol, no idea if legit or not. Could just be another katy perry bootyhole

24 minutes ago, Tony said:

But that's the point. No one wanted to offer him a long term deal. And it would stand to reason that if you told executives that on May 5th of the 2026 season, Murakami would be leading the league in HR's, there would have been some much larger commitments on the table for him, just like we're talking about now with our team.

Aside from Belle, The Sox have never won a bidding war for a top tier free agent. And Jerry's spending habits have gotten worse over the years, not better. And maybe I'm misremembering things, but it didn't seem like the Sox were in on Murakami right from the start...it started to pick up steam quickly once it seemed like the big dogs weren't going to be players, and his reps started to pivot to secondary options. That's when the Sox came into play, and when apparently Brooks had to convince Jerry to make the investment.

Again, I think it's fair to say the Sox had a lot of things bounce their way, things that weren't totally in their control, for Murakami to end up on the Sox. All good, but now they have him, ideally they need to find a way to keep him. And that doesn't have to happen tomorrow. But if this is the real Murakami, letting him walk at age 28 would be a crime.

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Edited Tuesday at 09:46 PM2 days by caulfield12

46 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Gotta love that the best move this organization has made in a really long time was a complete accident.

Hope he keeps it up. He obviously still has an incredibly risky profile.

An opportunity presented itself and they took advantage of it, Their seat at the table paid off. Not exactly stumbled into. The rest of baseball stumbled away from Murakami and the Sox were left standing. I will say it was much to their chagrin and Getz already admitted that they did not anticipate being involved at the monetary levels that were expected. This has all been out there before.

Extension talks are the news but that's not really any news unless there's an indication that a real offer can be presented between now and his Free Agency that Mune is willing to accept. They cannot start at $100M but most free agents had a MLB track record while Mune does not . So he needs to establish that for his 2 years or be willing to take less now than he would if his 2 year stint with the Sox convinces those other teams he is worth $200-$350M. Injuries can happen. A contract now would be security against anything that would prevent him from being judged more harshly and losing his bargaining power.

MM is the antidote for JR. I would extend him soon. Having Dick Allen vibes here.

Good sign.

1 hour ago, T R U said:

I thought I read/heard somewhere that the Sox weren't the best offer but he went here because the deal was shorter and he could bet on himself, which to me, says he's not going to be taking a "hometown discount" and is looking to get a market contract in 2 years.

Exactly. Once he didn’t get the long-term contract offers he was expecting, he took a short-term deal with the idea that he would prove his star status and worth. Why would he now jump to accept a piddly $100 million hometown discount extension rather than wait a year for multiple bidders and possibly triple that number? It only makes sense if you haven’t been paying attention.

Edited Tuesday at 10:15 PM2 days by WhiteSox2023

2 year 100 million dollar extension. Brings the total to 4 years 134 million. 31.25 million AAV. Seems fair. Revisit things in 2 years.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

Still 29th in overall attendance for all games. Can't all be blamed on weak Central attendance outside Detroit.

That per game average at home has to slide back up to 20000+ per game (1.6+ million pace) to consider it an appreciable Murakami-driven jump (along with .500ish baseball).

1 hour ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Why would he accept less years at the same AAV as a 32 year old who doesn't play a position? If he's betting on himself, then he's betting on himself.

I don't even think money is the sole driver here for him, but these tweets don't make sense if they are serious about signing him.

Edited Tuesday at 10:38 PM2 days by Look at Ray Ray Run

3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Why would he accept less years at the same AAV as a 32 year old who doesn't play a position?

I don't even think money is the sole driver here for him, but these tweets aren't making me optimistic.

I’m thinking Chicago Pope is a sham account and just using the ESPN 1000 tweet as his source. And the ESPN 1000 tweet already said 4/$100-112 wouldn’t be enough anyways.

1 hour ago, Tony said:

But that's the point. No one wanted to offer him a long term deal. And it would stand to reason that if you told executives that on May 5th of the 2026 season, Murakami would be leading the league in HR's, there would have been some much larger commitments on the table for him, just like we're talking about now with our team.

Aside from Belle, The Sox have never won a bidding war for a top tier free agent. And Jerry's spending habits have gotten worse over the years, not better. And maybe I'm misremembering things, but it didn't seem like the Sox were in on Murakami right from the start...it started to pick up steam quickly once it seemed like the big dogs weren't going to be players, and his reps started to pivot to secondary options. That's when the Sox came into play, and when apparently Brooks had to convince Jerry to make the investment.

Again, I think it's fair to say the Sox had a lot of things bounce their way, things that weren't totally in their control, for Murakami to end up on the Sox. All good, but now they have him, ideally they need to find a way to keep him. And that doesn't have to happen tomorrow. But if this is the real Murakami, letting him walk at age 28 would be a crime.

You're 100% correct. People are laughing at the organization and basically implying they got lucky by "stumbling into" the signing. No other team would offer him what the Sox did. The whole league obviously saw him and a high risk player and not worth the contract. Getz and the White Sox outbid everybody and made a great decision evidently. Every single team in the league wishes they did what the White Sox did with this signing. Getz and the org deserve credit for it.

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Why would he accept less years at the same AAV as a 32 year old who doesn't play a position? If he's betting on himself, then he's betting on himself.

I don't even think money is the sole driver here for him, but these tweets don't make sense if they are serious about signing him.

It strikes me as the same thing as Crochet in that the Sox idea of an extension and the players idea of an extension are very different, if the idea is 4/100. Dude is going to be looking for something like double that length AND more like 30 to 35mil per year.

1 minute ago, ron883 said:

You're 100% correct. People are laughing at the organization and basically implying they got lucky by "stumbling into" the signing. No other team would offer him what the Sox did. The whole league obviously saw him and a high risk player and not worth the contract. Getz and the White Sox outbid everybody and made a great decision evidently. Every single team in the league wishes they did what the White Sox did with this signing. Getz and the org deserve credit for it.

Teams offered him more money and a longer contract. They didn't OUTBID everyone.

25 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

2 year 100 million dollar extension. Brings the total to 4 years 134 million. 31.25 million AAV. Seems fair. Revisit things in 2 years.

that's such a Reinsdorf type of contract. not in terms of money but the short duration/low risk design

if I'm his agent (playing devils advocate), I would maybe accept that kind of deal once, but after that I'm looking for like 8+, no way do I let the Sox keep offering 2 year extensions, unless it's for a ridiculous amount of money

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

I’m thinking Chicago Pope is a sham account and just using the ESPN 1000 tweet as his source. And the ESPN 1000 tweet already said 4/$100-112 wouldn’t be enough anyways.

It would be 4 years at 120 at 30/per but either way I think it would have made sense for him 10 weeks ago, but less so now. Schwarber is a DH.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Teams offered him more money and a longer contract. They didn't OUTBID everyone.

I tried looking for this, but couldn't find it anywhere. Got a source on this?

28 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

2 year 100 million dollar extension. Brings the total to 4 years 134 million. 31.25 million AAV. Seems fair. Revisit things in 2 years.

That probably gets his attention.

6 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

that's such a Reinsdorf type of contract. not in terms of money but the short duration/low risk design

if I'm his agent (playing devils advocate), I would maybe accept that kind of deal once, but after that I'm looking for like 8+, no way do I let the Sox keep offering 2 year extensions, unless it's for a ridiculous amount of money

I mean that gives him generational wealth if he gets hit by a bus tmr and allows him another giant deal after his age 30 season if he's still producing. I think it gets his attention if nothing else.

Edited Tuesday at 10:52 PM2 days by chitownsportsfan

5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I mean that gives him generational wealth if he gets hit by a bus tmr and allows him another giant deal after his age 30 season if he's still producing. I think it gets his attention if nothing else.

Or he could wait for the Dodgers to offer him $300+ million dollars for 8+ years and he can play with his buddy and know where he is finishing his career.

Edited Tuesday at 10:58 PM2 days by WhiteSox2023

5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Or he could wait for the Dodgers to offer him $300+ million dollars for 8+ years and he can play with his buddy and know where he is finishing his career.

He strikes me as a guy that wants to forge his own path. Just a gut feeling. I don't think he wants LA. Another better offer than we can offer sure, but I don't necessarily think he's a fit in LA.

36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That probably gets his attention.

Why would he sign an extension like that when he can just hit the market in 2 years and probably blow that away if he’s a 40-50 HR guy.

If he was interested in 4 years and 100ish million he most likely had offers like that this offseason that he obviously didn’t want to take.

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

Still 29th in overall attendance for all games. Can't all be blamed on weak Central attendance outside Detroit.

That per game average at home has to slide back up to 20000+ per game (1.6+ million pace) to consider it an appreciable Murakami-driven jump (along with .500ish baseball).

Riddle me this: How many time does an owner have to say "f*** the fans" before people stop showing up?

27 minutes ago, Bananarchy said:

Riddle me this: How many time does an owner have to say "f*** the fans" before people stop showing up?

Quite a few.

CLE has it down....despite their #3/4 overall record the past 12-15 years.

Minnesota surely.

OAK and Colorado moving forward.

Miami is at least competitive again...might dump Alcantara regardless..

11 hours ago, reiks12 said:

Even Jerry isn't dumb enough to not extend him. Murakami is making him so much money this season

I would believe that a lot of Japanese money will be coming into the Sox, much like it happened with Ichiro in Seattle. Good opportunity for JR to cash in on that. Sox brand equity will go up.