What are we thinking Soxtalk? The team seems to have a lot of middle infield prospects at the moment, especially with the imminent Roch pick. Do they make some trades or hold off?

If Jacob Gonzalez has regained value by mashing in AAA, as a 1st round pick who is a lefty SS, I wouldn't be terribly upset if we flipped him. I have no idea of Gonzalez has any value though.

Edited Wednesday at 08:30 PM3 days by ron883

Much is going to depend on where the Sox are at the deadline and more importantly what JR decides given the almost sure lockout coming. He probably won't want to take much risk, if any until he knows what the next CBA will be like.

Should they? If they are close...of course...but this is JR remember.

If they get to the deadline and they are still in the thick of things, and refuse to add and try and help themselves, it’s gonna be kick in the nads

https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

AL Central fans all are pretty lukewarm in their reactions...lined up quite nicely 21-24.

White Sox probably at a 1.6-1.7 million pace if you correct for weather, summer months and more competitive team.

Texas is a scary data point too...already down to 29000 with a WS win two seasons ago in a newer facility.

Unless they traded high on Martin Vargas or Mune....their best trade chip is ???????

Fedde Hays Hicks Newcomb Hudson Dominguez Taylor Kay Jacob Gonzalez Korey Lee Leasure Acuna Kelenic Peters Pereira Hill....there's pretty much nothing there, and Taylor/Hudson LIKELY aren't going anywhere.

That pushes you into guys like Bergolla Mogollon Jeral Perez and all the tj recovery guys...or basically lottery tickets like Wolkow or Zavala.

Cannon has marginal value as well.

Sandlin needs to do something at the big league level to increase his value/s.

Sox would simply have to either take on additional payroll/bad contacts with B/C prospects attached...or do something crazy like trade Hagen Smith to a team who believes they can fix him, or trade McDougal with all his injury/reliever risk concerns and buy another veteran starter like an Alcantara from MIA.

Let's not forget Schultz has a season high of 84 innings pitched and it clearly wasn't last year...so they would be down another starter or forced to destroy the pen in August/September unless they went back to the Crochet plan of 3-4 inning starts down the stretch.

Edited Wednesday at 10:19 PM3 days by caulfield12

Wouldn't give up real future assets for a run this season. Would trade Dominguez (if he has any value). They should do whatever builds on this momentum.

13 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

If they get to the deadline and they are still in the thick of things, and refuse to add and try and help themselves, it’s gonna be kick in the nads

35 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Wouldn't give up real future assets for a run this season. Would trade Dominguez (if he has any value). They should do whatever builds on this momentum.

Yea I'm closer to the latter opinion here. We're not really contenders in any sense of the word even if we make it to the deadline around .500. Giving up anything other than some spare parts doesn't make sense and even around .500 we should be looking to continue to look to trade Dominguez and others that have any value and are not key pieces going forward.

Not even AJ Preller could find the right mix of non core prospects to trade from here…

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

AL Central fans all are pretty lukewarm in their reactions...lined up quite nicely 21-24.

White Sox probably at a 1.6-1.7 million pace if you correct for weather, summer months and more competitive team.

Texas is a scary data point too...already down to 29000 with a WS win two seasons ago in a newer facility.

youre way too obsessed with the attendance

I think we need a veteran starting pitcher. I do expect the Sox to be in and around it by the deadline. Maybe a Joe Ryan if twins would trade within the division.

If we're still in it in July, we should definitely buy some small pieces. Maybe get a back end starter, bullpen arm or corner outfielder. No big acquisitions that cost anything substantial because just being in the thick of things half way into the season is house money. I don't think this team is close to truly competing. But with the AL as mid as it is so far and with the extra wild card spot, it wouldn't hurt to try and win more games.

Edited Thursday at 02:31 AM3 days by chw42

The AL is an absolute s%*# show without any real teams. The Sox can and will beat anyone from the central or West in the playoffs. The Yankees just lost their best starter and the Rays pitchers are way over performing based on advanced metrics. This is absolutely the year that you make a move that not only ignites the rebuild, but potentially also steals a playoff round. Don't t mortgage the future...but add a smart salary dump and a bullpen stud.

Edited Thursday at 03:59 AM2 days by EloyJenkins

10 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

The AL is an absolute s%*# show without any real teams. The Sox can and will beat anyone from the central or West in the playoffs. The Yankees just lost their best starter and the Rays pitchers are way over performing based on advanced metrics. This is absolutely the year that you make a move that not only ignites the rebuild, but potentially also steals a playoff round. Don't t mortgage the future...but add a smart salary dump and a bullpen stud.

What move?

Dominguez your best chip.

Fried not likely to be out more than 15 days.

Also have Cole coming back.

Edited Thursday at 04:09 AM2 days by caulfield12

The Sox will have a 5 game lead by then and won't need anyone.

Buyers to achieve what? To just qualify for the post season and then lose in the first series like the last time? Because this team isn't going to go all the way to the World Series as much as we would all love that.

If this rebuild is genuine they shouldn't try to run this season just because the AL Central is so weak and potentially harm the longer term development of the team.

8 hours ago, Green Line said:

youre way too obsessed with the attendance

Because for years and years KW referenced it at the deadline.

“Can’t spend $1 if you only have 0.50 cents…” Sound familiar?

48 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Because for years and years KW referenced it at the deadline.

“Can’t spend $1 if you only have 0.50 cents…” Sound familiar?

KW said it once. You referenced it for years

With Hays and Pereira soon coming off IR and BMont hopefully coming up is it time to cut Acuna and eat the Benintendi contract? Or is it Hill and Kelenic who go?

In very short order Sox will be getting back a Catcher and 2 outfielders from the Injury List. They first have to make room for those three. The Teel addition is easy. Hays and Pereria are tougher to figure. My guess is that Benintendi and Acuna will go.

17 minutes ago, oldsox said:

In very short order Sox will be getting back a Catcher and 2 outfielders from the Injury List. They first have to make room for those three. The Teel addition is easy. Hays and Pereria are tougher to figure. My guess is that Benintendi and Acuna will go.

They’re not releasing Hays to play Pereira yet.

Maybe if his value is negligible at the trade deadline and they’re out of the WC race in August and Sept.

Kelenic or Hill would go first…after Acuna/Quero.

Edited Thursday at 12:36 PM2 days by caulfield12

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

KW said it once. You referenced it for years

Has the situation changed since then?

We saw the Robert subtractions and almost exactly matching additions.

Lowest revenues in the majors don’t lie.

Even lower than Sacramento and Rays’ Yankees’ ST digs.

Certainly should always be open to a good deal.
What has been accomplished long-term is 6-7 man position-player core (and growing). And that's a big accomplishment.
But the 26 man lacks high-end pitching. And the org is seriously short of pitching.
And while we have a lot of MI prospects, that can be quickly erased with an injury or 2 or downturn in performance. Getting some young pitching in here so that we can seriously contend should be the focus. Finally have a little depth - don't squander it on relief pitching or old guys.
Call the Braves - they always have a lot of pitching prospects. Anthopoulos dealt with an inexperienced Getz very honorably in 2023.

And, of course, as a general rule, young for old is just bad business.

Edited Thursday at 12:49 PM2 days by GreenSox

4 hours ago, Chimpton said:

Buyers to achieve what? To just qualify for the post season and then lose in the first series like the last time? Because this team isn't going to go all the way to the World Series as much as we would all love that.

If this rebuild is genuine they shouldn't try to run this season just because the AL Central is so weak and potentially harm the longer term development of the team.

I don't think anybody's suggesting a trade package of Bonemer/Hagen Smith for Robbie Ray at the TDL. Something more like Rikuu Nishida for Michael Soroka would allow the Sox to lose that series gracefully.

16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Has the situation changed since then?

We saw the Robert subtractions and almost exactly matching additions.

Lowest revenues in the majors don’t lie.

Even lower than Sacramento and Rays’ Yankees’ ST digs.

Look, I don’t argue with you anymore because it’s a cul de sac, but yes things have changed in the last 25 years. Just because similar things happen doesn’t make everything 1:1 like you try to make it in every argument you start

12 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Certainly should always be open to a good deal.
What has been accomplished long-term is 6-7 man position-player core (and growing). And that's a big accomplishment.
But the 26 man lacks high-end pitching. And the org is seriously short of pitching.
And while we have a lot of MI prospects, that can be quickly erased with an injury or 2 or downturn in performance. Getting some young pitching in here so that we can seriously contend should be the focus. Finally have a little depth - don't squander it on relief pitching or old guys.
Call the Braves - they always have a lot of pitching prospects. Anthopoulos dealt with an inexperienced Getz very honorably in 2023.

And, of course, as a general rule, young for old is just bad business.

You mean he dumped all the contracts like Lopez et al for one he thought would be more useful?

Guess they still have Gowens.

8 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Look, I don’t argue with you anymore because it’s a cul de sac, but yes things have changed in the last 25 years. Just because similar things happen doesn’t make everything 1:1 like you try to make it in every argument you start

https://sports.yahoo.com/white-sox-vp-says-its-a-shame-team-is-being-called-cheap-after-freeagent-failures-020215599.html

Not just 20-25 years ago…it’s 2013-2026, with the exception of 2020-22.

as Thad Bosley used to say, 45+ years of track record/history to go on

Edited Thursday at 01:09 PM2 days by caulfield12