12 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

How many mutual options have been picked up by both parties when the player has a strong FA year though?

3-5%?

If you're talking about Kay. He's been solid . Not sure how much value you're going to get with the buying team that could possibly get 2.5 more years for him. The question is would a serious contender overpay? Probably not unless they are in dire need of a 3 or 4 so is that really a strong contender ?

With the Sox trying to incorporate a couple of young arms in the rotation and also waiting waiting waiting for Hagen Smith, Tanner McDougal , Noah Schultz, Shane Smith and even David Sandlin to find some consistency in performance and health that's a whole 5 man rotation that all have a way to go before anyone can deem any of them as a for sure part of a future rotation. That's without counting Oppor or someone like Thorpe who are even father away since Oppor was still in AA when he had his struggles .

We still don't know if Thorpe can ever be an MLB pitcher because he's had quite the injury history ever since his debut with the Sox back in 2024. That makes Kay more important to the Sox. I'd be surprised to see the Sox trade any starting pitching depth.

No rush to do anything imo. Just enjoy the ride.

5 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Biggest needs right now are a TOR starter, RP depth, and a CF (although Peters is doing a fine job). I think we can augment the bullpen at the deadline for a low cost. A legit SP or CF, however, will be way too expensive and we should wait until the off season to address (and hopefully in free agency).

Selling should only happen if this team completely collapses between now and the end of July. And even then, it’s not like we have a ton of vets on short term deals. Maybe Kay and a couple of relievers go? Not going to get a ton though and there is probably a lot of risk in pissing off the clubhouse.

Honestly, I’m hoping we can stay in the thick of things and be soft buyers.

Peters has actually been amazing . Yesterday he posted his 5th multi-hit game in a row. With this heater he's on he's now up to 119 wRC+, 1.5 WAR. He's a positive offensive and defensive player . 1.5 WAR fWAR and 1.6 bWAR . How cool is it that Peters could play a full season and be close to a 4 WAR guy if he continues being this consistently good. At this point you just take him for granted. Not bad at all for a 26 yr old rookie who doesn't depend on power to be a very good baseball player and was a part of the preseason narrative of the worst OF in baseball history. He doesn't face LHP at all and when he has he doesn't have any hits. He had a great May and his War has been skyrocketing.

If the Sox kept Robert and he had a 1.5 fWAR at this point of the season we would be saying He's Back to 2023 form !

Despite the arguments over the Robert trade the Sox have also benefited if only for the opportunity for Peters. And he still has 2 options. He's a bargain when Robert was an anchor.

Edited Tuesday at 05:50 PM1 day by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

Peters, god bless him, is fool's gold. He has a .364 BABIP and a .293 xwOBA. Great story, fun first 1/3, but over under on WAR rest of the way is 1.

5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Peters, god bless him, is fool's gold. He has a .364 BABIP and a .293 xwOBA. Great story, fun first 1/3, but over under on WAR rest of the way is 1.

Perhaps, but he is basically a savior to the outfield considering how badly Acuna busted.

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Perhaps, but he is basically a savior to the outfield considering how badly Acuna busted.

Oh I agree and you don't get to take away the value he's already produced, that all counts and has helped us get a good season going. I just wouldn't bank on him putting up a 4 WAR season. We'll have to get value elsewhere in the OF, posssibly from Braden.

Edited Tuesday at 05:37 PM1 day by chitownsportsfan

43 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Oh I agree and you don't get to take away the value he's already produced, that all counts and has helped us get a good season going. I just wouldn't bank on him putting up a 4 WAR season. We'll have to get value elsewhere in the OF, posssibly from Braden.

Fine platoon OF. You'd prefer him to be a backup on a deep team but can get away with him in CF in a platoon hitting like 9th on a good, healthy team.

Edited Tuesday at 06:21 PM1 day by Bob Sacamano

22 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Peters, god bless him, is fool's gold. He has a .364 BABIP and a .293 xwOBA. Great story, fun first 1/3, but over under on WAR rest of the way is 1.

I understand where you're coming from . His Statcast Batting isn't exactly the Red Sea. I only know what I have seen and am happy with it. I am not a projection model. I do know his fielding , speed and base running is legit. If his batted ball luck runs out I still know he can rack up positive War in other ways. A Red Sea in Batting didn't do Kelenic any good in other aspects of his game which was the main reason he was dumped.

He may not be a .303, .376, .487, .863 , 143 wRC+ hitter like he was in May but getting a fool's gold month out of a few unexpected players is what you hope to find and let any future performance determine his true value.

At the absolute bare minimum, they need to add a reliever. Another starting pitcher would be nice too. With Mune, Teel, Braden, etc coming, I think another bat is less of a priority.

"We are focused on 2026. I know I have stated that it's not about 2026, but this team is playing really good baseball. We know where we are in the standings, both within the division and wild card, and we're monitoring it. If there's opportunities to add to this -- we have higher hopes than just 2026 because we want to have a continual winner here -- but if there's chances to really add to this group, we're going to do that."

[...]

"We'll continue to monitor the trade market. This team's playing good baseball and we're staying in it. These guys believe in themselves and we believe in them. So any way that we can continue to fuel this team somehow, some way, we're going to look to do that."

Don't think they will (or should) move prospects for short term help. Their biggest adds this summer are probably still internal promotions. But I could see something like swapping some IF depth for someone else's blocked young pitching with team control.

Peters has played gold glove defense. Offensively he has hit close to .300 and many of those hits have been in clutch situations.

Vargas is hitting clutch bombs and hits all the while playing gold glove defense..

This team is more than I expected.

Edited Tuesday at 09:49 PM1 day by tray

Just talking trading in general, I go back to this Shane Baz trade, for whom Baltimore sent their 2025 comp draftee, 2026 comp pick (#33) and 3 minor leaguers. Baz is a #3, when he's having a good year.
To me, that's a bonkers price for a #3.
The price for pitching prospects, however, doesn't appear to be so high.

Edited Tuesday at 10:14 PM1 day by GreenSox

7 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Peters has actually been amazing . Yesterday he posted his 5th multi-hit game in a row. With this heater he's on he's now up to 119 wRC+, 1.5 WAR. He's a positive offensive and defensive player . 1.5 WAR fWAR and 1.6 bWAR . How cool is it that Peters could play a full season and be close to a 4 WAR guy if he continues being this consistently good. At this point you just take him for granted. Not bad at all for a 26 yr old rookie who doesn't depend on power to be a very good baseball player and was a part of the preseason narrative of the worst OF in baseball history. He doesn't face LHP at all and when he has he doesn't have any hits. He had a great May and his War has been skyrocketing.

If the Sox kept Robert and he had a 1.5 fWAR at this point of the season we would be saying He's Back to 2023 form !

Despite the arguments over the Robert trade the Sox have also benefited if only for the opportunity for Peters. And he still has 2 options. He's a bargain when Robert was an anchor.

7 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Peters, god bless him, is fool's gold. He has a .364 BABIP and a .293 xwOBA. Great story, fun first 1/3, but over under on WAR rest of the way is 1.

I agree with @chitownsportsfan that some regression is coming with the bat, but maybe he can out produce his xwOBA to some extent due to his speed. Either way, Peters lacks much impact with the bat. If the defense stays at these levels, he can definitely be a part time player in CF if you are strong offensively in most other spots. Regardless, CF is the spot I have the least most long term conviction in right now.

4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I agree with @chitownsportsfan that some regression is coming with the bat, but maybe he can out produce his xwOBA to some extent due to his speed. Either way, Peters lacks much impact with the bat. If the defense stays at these levels, he can definitely be a part time player in CF if you are strong offensively in most other spots. Regardless, CF is the spot I have the least most long term conviction in right now.

Peters is a hitter that makes a lot of contact from his crouched stance. Since Opening Day he has been one of the most reliable hitters on the team when the team needs a hit late in the game. His defense in CF is Gold Glove caliber. His speed and quick jumps allow him to cover the gaps. Long term conviction? There hasn't been much of that over the past year or so for any player. Fans were ready to bury Colson, Chase and Vargas last season. Remember "I'm tired of the Vargas era" OK, Peters is ready to implode..

6 hours ago, tray said:

Peters is a hitter that makes a lot of contact from his crouched stance. Since Opening Day he has been one of the most reliable hitters on the team when the team needs a hit late in the game. His defense in CF is Gold Glove caliber. His speed and quick jumps allow him to cover the gaps. Long term conviction? There hasn't been much of that over the past year or so for any player. Fans were ready to bury Colson, Chase and Vargas last season. Remember "I'm tired of the Vargas era" OK, Peters is ready to implode..

Least conviction <> mean the player is ready to implode. I simply have more conviction in Murakami, Colson, & Vargas to be star, 5+ win players and for Meidroth, Antonacci, Teel, & Braden to be above average, 3+ win players.

Peters is basically playing at a 4 win pace despite being a strong side platoon CF. Obviously defense plays a big part of that, but his wOBA is beating his xwOBA by 50 points thanks in large part to a .363 BABIP. Yes, he is a very fast player and might be able to outproduce his xwOBA some, but it’s extremely doubtful by that much and his minor league history doesn’t support a BABIP at this level. Regression is very likely coming, the question is simply how much. If the two figures converge, Peters probably falls to a 1.5 win platoon player. As I mentioned previously, that still works if the rest of the lineup is strong, but does not prevent you from considering long-term upgrades. For now, I’m good waiting and seeing what we have in the player. His CF defense has been a welcome surprise and early indicators suggest its legit plus, but I’m not declaring him the long-term CF based on two months of results.

7 hours ago, tray said:

Peters is a hitter that makes a lot of contact from his crouched stance. Since Opening Day he has been one of the most reliable hitters on the team when the team needs a hit late in the game. His defense in CF is Gold Glove caliber. His speed and quick jumps allow him to cover the gaps. Long term conviction? There hasn't been much of that over the past year or so for any player. Fans were ready to bury Colson, Chase and Vargas last season. Remember "I'm tired of the Vargas era" OK, Peters is ready to implode..

Implode isn't the word you are looking for.

56 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Implode isn't the word you are looking for.

Would be more appropriate for a stadium like HHH Metrodome coming down...

I'm just looking at the wild card standings and despite their most recent two losses, the white Sox are in an incredible position. If anyone had offered us up this place at the beginning of the year, we'd have bitten your arm off for it. Even if there is a bit of regression without Murakami, it's hard to see what TWO teams would overtake the White Sox. Yes, it's more a commentary on where the AL is but some of the supposed giants are just so far behind that they are more or less out of it already. It would require runs from multiple teams that I just don't think have it in them. So with that opportunity, I think we need to buy smartly. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Sox should put themselves in a position to pick up the baton so they can make an October run.

20 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I understand where you're coming from . His Statcast Batting isn't exactly the Red Sea. I only know what I have seen and am happy with it. I am not a projection model. I do know his fielding , speed and base running is legit. If his batted ball luck runs out I still know he can rack up positive War in other ways. A Red Sea in Batting didn't do Kelenic any good in other aspects of his game which was the main reason he was dumped.

He may not be a .303, .376, .487, .863 , 143 wRC+ hitter like he was in May but getting a fool's gold month out of a few unexpected players is what you hope to find and let any future performance determine his true value.

Our lineup is good enough that we can affording to field a passenger at the plate who makes up for that in the field.

1 hour ago, Colome's Hat said:

I'm just looking at the wild card standings and despite their most recent two losses, the white Sox are in an incredible position. If anyone had offered us up this place at the beginning of the year, we'd have bitten your arm off for it. Even if there is a bit of regression without Murakami, it's hard to see what TWO teams would overtake the White Sox. Yes, it's more a commentary on where the AL is but some of the supposed giants are just so far behind that they are more or less out of it already. It would require runs from multiple teams that I just don't think have it in them. So with that opportunity, I think we need to buy smartly. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Sox should put themselves in a position to pick up the baton so they can make an October run.

Well find out a lot more about the chances they have after finishing this gauntlet the next two weeks.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2026/06/02/chicago-white-sox-will-jerry-reinsdorf-spend/

19 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I agree with @chitownsportsfan that some regression is coming with the bat, but maybe he can out produce his xwOBA to some extent due to his speed. Either way, Peters lacks much impact with the bat. If the defense stays at these levels, he can definitely be a part time player in CF if you are strong offensively in most other spots. Regardless, CF is the spot I have the least most long term conviction in right now.

Hits a decent amount of doubles and has 1 triple, 2 HR . 4th on the team in doubles even though he's like got 75 less ABs than the guys ahead of him. His xtra base hit rate is above 33% maybe close to 40%. I think if he stays healthy he'll finish between 3 and 3.5 WAR. If his June can match his May he might have very close to 3 WAR at the end of June. He has great range defensively and already at 5 OAA.

Edited 16 hours ago16 hr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

On 6/1/2026 at 10:43 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Got a good month + before you even should be thinking about it. And it's all without Murakami. They're not buying .

This team still has a lot of roster churn in it .They've had too many injuries and the young arms have not progressed as hoped.

Love the progress but no reason whatsoever to sell off your minor leaguers unless it's for other minor leaguers.

They might sell off Dominquez , Hays if they can or even Grichuk or Kay but not many starting pitchers to call up left.

Kay signed 2 years with a $10M 2028 option . He might be worth keeping.

Murakami and Teel coming back are just like trading for 2 great pieces 😁

31 minutes ago, wegner said:

Murakami and Teel coming back are just like trading for 2 great pieces 😁

That's the way I look at it and Braden Montgomery possibly in June and maybe Hays and Pereira. Schultz can come back. Shane Smith can come back. McDougal is getting healthier.

I wouldn't count on the TJ guys rehabbing now to provide much like Adams or Thorpe with his recent appendectomy throwing a monkey wrench into his rehab. Bergolla is still rehabbing too from his collision with Antonacci and he was hitting .457 the 1st 10 games of the season. That must've been some really serious blunt force trauma to his leg without a break to be out as long as he has been.