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Sox @ Tigers 6/21 - 12:40PM

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Will has to understand that Dominguez cannot pitch the 9th inning. He is a total choke artist.

1st two batters, he’s up 0 - 2. Then a guy beats out a weak grounder and he loses it. All of a sudden he can’t find the strike zone unless he groves it in. Even the 3rd out to Gonzalez was hit hard.

Venable can’t do that cute stuff where Taylor faces the tough outs in the 8th and leaves Seranthony to come in for the bottom of the order in the 9th. Dominguez chokes too often, like today.

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2 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

That didn't answer my question.

I don’t know why you bother.

1 minute ago, Jake said:

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Forgot about Gameday 3D being a thing. Yeah I think he might have been toast with an accurate throw. Was close to the base and moving the wrong way. Not to say I think Braden did anything wrong.

When's the last time that actually happened where a ball that bounced in front of an outfielder resulted in an out at home?

Still would be bases loaded one out and Hicks pitching.

Probably get a walk or wild pitch walk off instead.

Brutal way to lose a game, brutal series, brutal weekend.

I get the angst over the Acuna play but remember there were two out. Just get the last out and it doesn't matter.

Bottom line Dominguez wet the bed again.

Back to just two games over .500 with seven versus Cleveland in the next 10 days.

17 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

they were due to suck at baseball, not fun to watch but it is their turn, hopefully it's not the disaster the North Side went thru

let the knee jerk reactions begin

The Sox run differential is -4. The Tigers is -5.

The Tigers are 11 under 500 and Sox are 2 over.

Pretty crazy.

13 minutes ago, CBJ03 said:

Also, this is the first stretch of bad baseball since they were 6-13. They were due for a down stretch.

A ton of truth here.

3 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Will has to understand that Dominguez cannot pitch the 9th inning. He is a total choke artist.

1st two batters, he’s up 0 - 2. Then a guy beats out a weak grounder and he loses it. All of a sudden he can’t find the strike zone unless he groves it in. Even the 3rd out to Gonzalez was hit hard.

Venable can’t do that cute stuff where Taylor faces the tough outs in the 8th and leaves Seranthony to come in for the bottom of the order in the 9th. Dominguez chokes too often, like today.

4th blown save opportunity today.

Unless the critics could hit home runs from the game thread, Acuña was the only guy hitting bombs today. And if the "elite" Colson Montgomery catches that easy Dingler grounder that tied the score in the 9th, game's won. I think the Acuña critics have a lot of 'splainin' to do after this one.

4 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

That didn't answer my question.

So why even bother to utilize analytics?

Let's just go back to TLR's hunches/intuition...

We have numerous threads every year with Pecota and Steamer and FG and bWAR and fWAR.

Most models said Meidroth would lead the team...and he's leading all 2B and yet thre are current threads about trading him.

If it's meaningless to debate and discuss...why bother to predict anything?

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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So why even bother to utilize analytics?

Let's just go back to TLR's hunches/intuition...

We have numerous threads every year with Pecota and Steamer and FG and bWAR and fWAR.

Most models said Meidroth would lead the team...and he's leading all 2B and yet thre are current threads about trading him.

If it's meaningless to debate and discuss...why bother to predict anything?

I'm not putting any weight into who is going to win this division when these same models probably had the Sox losing 100 games. How does that mean I don't look at/care for analytics?

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Unless the critics could hit home runs from the game thread, Acuña was the only guy hitting bombs today. And if the "elite" Colson Montgomery catches that easy Dingler grounder that tied the score in the 9th, game's won. I think the Acuña critics have a lot of 'splainin' to do after this one.

How was it an easy grounder?

It was pulled right down the line...over the bag.

It would have been a single regardless.

If you fault him for not diving...who is to say if he dives and gets hurt then that's not even a worse outcome?

Vargas isn't hitting now either.

Thankfully Cleveland lost again. Fortunate to play in a terrible division.

Everyone saying Acuna and Benintendi should be DFAed, which I disagree with (but please I don’t want to start that debate now).

But why is Hicks on this team?

29 minutes ago, fathom said:

They’re pulling out Zapruder Film replays to excuse Acuna :)

Optimized to lose, the White Sox way.

Even the simple things they make complicated.

It will be curious to see how the team reacts on this upcoming home stand . I'm going tomorrow night. Hoping for a win.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Optimized to lose, the White Sox way.

Even the simple things they make complicated.

Ray, I was watching on gameday so have not seen the play....would Colson have made that play?

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Unless the critics could hit home runs from the game thread, Acuña was the only guy hitting bombs today. And if the "elite" Colson Montgomery catches that easy Dingler grounder that tied the score in the 9th, game's won. I think the Acuña critics have a lot of 'splainin' to do after this one.

Acuna can hit dingers from any position on the field but for the one position held down by an elite defender.

1 minute ago, wegner said:

Ray, I was watching on gameday so have not seen the play....would Colson have made that play?

Yes.

2 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Everyone saying Acuna and Benintendi should be DFAed, which I disagree with (but please I don’t want to start that debate now).

But why is Hicks on this team?

You sure have your favorites. All three guys are at zero or negative WAR.

1 minute ago, WBWSF said:

It will be curious to see how the team reacts on this upcoming home stand . I'm going tomorrow night. Hoping for a win.

They definitely need to get some mojo back, maybe if Teel is activated that will help. Coming off the Braves and Dodgers series I expected some letdown but they looked pretty awful this road trip.

Time for me to step back from all my complaining and regain my optimism.

Sox go home to meet a Cleveland team as beaten up as we are. There’s a strong likelihood we win the series and a good possibility of a sweep.

4 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I'm not putting any weight into who is going to win this division when these same models probably had the Sox losing 100 games. How does that mean I don't look at/care for analytics?

So when are they meaningful and when are they irrelevant?

Keith Law said he could be an All Star based on what evidence exactly?

Everyone in the world that knows baseball could have looked at Gonzalez's milb career up until now...two home-friendly months at Charlotte and now a 500ish mlb ops and predicted he wasn't suddenly going to go on a homer binge in the majors.

Advance scouting will dissect every single weakness at the major league level that teams don't care that much about in AAA.

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9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So why even bother to utilize analytics?

Let's just go back to TLR's hunches/intuition...

We have numerous threads every year with Pecota and Steamer and FG and bWAR and fWAR.

Most models said Meidroth would lead the team...and he's leading all 2B and yet thre are current threads about trading him.

If it's meaningless to debate and discuss...why bother to predict anything?

What are the playoff odds even measuring? Is it Monte Carlo series of simulations? Does it account for players coming back from IL, or trades, or promotions? Or is it just "this group of 26 players on the roster today make the playoffs in 30% of simulations"? They're fun to look at, and they have a little meaning, in that most teams are really only going to change, maybe, 25-30% by the playoffs? But big picture, they don't really mean much. Especially in June.

15 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Unless the critics could hit home runs from the game thread, Acuña was the only guy hitting bombs today. And if the "elite" Colson Montgomery catches that easy Dingler grounder that tied the score in the 9th, game's won. I think the Acuña critics have a lot of 'splainin' to do after this one.

I’m gonna go with the guy at SS who has shown impeccable timing on his plays his whole career.

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