Lets keep in mind this guy has only played for the Rockies, a terrible organization. This will be the first time he has ever been in a playoff race. That alone could bump up his performance. I love the fact he is a great defensive outfielder.

8 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

I actually kind of like the move for 2027 and beyond, but I don't like it for 2026. Doesn't offer enough as a hitter to PH late in games.

That said, a Peters-Doyle-Montgomery outfield in 9th innings with a lead is pretty dynamite

Colson,Acuna,Miedroth and Vargas around the horn looks good too. With Taylor closing.......Lock it down in the 9th.

9 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

I actually kind of like the move for 2027 and beyond, but I don't like it for 2026. Doesn't offer enough as a hitter to PH late in games.

That said, a Peters-Doyle-Montgomery outfield in 9th innings with a lead is pretty dynamite

That is an awesome outfield defense.

Why didnt the Sox just fix Nolan Jones? He also had one good year as a member of the rockies?

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Why didnt the Sox just fix Nolan Jones? He also had one good year as a member of the rockies?

Another reason I’m not a fan of the trade. Doyle is already 28, the same age as Nolan Jones. If he was a bit younger, fine, perhaps he’s worth the shot. Not a fan of acquiring guys that should be in their prime and are coming off their worst years ever. Sadly, Jones’ one good year with the Rockies was much better offensively than Doyle’s.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by WhiteSox2023

6 hours ago, hi8is said:

Rockies fan insight:

“Fellow rox fan here to echo the same as the above. Doyle is one of the best defenders in the game. He had the hardest throw in the stats cast era and is flat out amazing. The hitting can use some work (problems due to the prior rockies regime, IMO).

His WAR from last year is a tale of two players. His wife had a miscarriage and he didn't recover from that prior to the all star break. He was negative WAR before the all star break then crushed it in the second half of the season to finish at above average WAR. Details below:

https://www.purplerow.com/colorado-rockies-roster/77181/colorado-rockies-player-review-brenton-doyle-overcame-a-miserable-first-half-to-finish-with-a-positive-impact

I agree that this seems to be a win win on paper. You'll get a center fielder who is basically a walking defensive highlights reel. If you can solve the offense (probably on the off season), you've probably robbed us blind. For what it's worth, the Rockies need pitchers for next year and a 4/5, starter who's control based with lots of pitches seems to be our go to.

All the best to doyle and I hope he crushes it for the white Sox!”

I’m more hopeful than the “probably in the off season” part.

Since September first of last year (2025) Brenton Doyle is slashing 198/248/274 with a xwOBA of 235 with a -1.2 fWAR. That ranks him 76th of 77 players with 50+ PA's as an OF'er in wRC+ and it ranks him dead last in fWAR. The absolutely crazy thing is he's slashed that while carrying a .289 BABIP. In that period, he ranks 512 out of 518 players in fWAR, tied with Edgar Quero who the Sox just sent down because he's been so bad.

Not sure I'm seeing that "crushing it" part.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run

46 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Since September first of last year (2025) Brenton Doyle is slashing 198/248/274 with a xwOBA of 235 with a -1.2 fWAR. That ranks him 76th of 77 players with 50+ PA's as an OF'er in wRC+ and it ranks him dead last in fWAR. The absolutely crazy thing is he's slashed that while carrying a .289 BABIP. In that period, he ranks 512 out of 518 players in fWAR, tied with Edgar Quero who the Sox just sent down because he's been so bad.

Not sure I'm seeing that "crushing it" part.

Fuller'll fix 'em!

Two years ago, this trade would have set pulses racing, as Doyle won his second Gold Glove in two MLB seasons but more significantly added some pop to his game: 23 homers, 72 RBIs and a 3.9 WAR that seemed to predict multi-tool minor stardom ahead. But in the two years since, the center fielder has badly regressed. His 2025 was a stumble to a 0.2 WAR that apparently affected his defense as well, and this season Doyle battled oblique and groin injuries that saw him sent to Triple-A for a rehab assignment before his call-up just two games ago.

Sam Bradfield over at our sister site Purple Row offered her insight on the trade, promising that "when [Doyle] is on, he's on" and that the speedster ran into both bad injury luck and struggles with altitude. He'll face no such problems with the latter in the flatlander climes of Chicago, so perhaps the White Sox coaching staff can coax back more of the speed-D-pop excellence we saw from Doyle two seasons ago.

yahoo.com/sports

Can they actually find two Tristan Peters/es in a single season...?

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by caulfield12

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Two years ago, this trade would have set pulses racing, as Doyle won his second Gold Glove in two MLB seasons but more significantly added some pop to his game: 23 homers, 72 RBIs and a 3.9 WAR that seemed to predict multi-tool minor stardom ahead. But in the two years since, the center fielder has badly regressed. His 2025 was a stumble to a 0.2 WAR that apparently affected his defense as well, and this season Doyle battled oblique and groin injuries that saw him sent to Triple-A for a rehab assignment before his call-up just two games ago.

Sam Bradfield over at our sister site Purple Row offered her insight on the trade, promising that "when [Doyle] is on, he's on" and that the speedster ran into both bad injury luck and struggles with altitude. He'll face no such problems with the latter in the flatlander climes of Chicago, so perhaps the White Sox coaching staff can coax back more of the speed-D-pop excellence we saw from Doyle two seasons ago.

yahoo.com/sports

Can they actually find two Tristan Peters/es in a single season...?

The odds are quite low. I feel like Getz is a little high on his own supply after some of these surprising pickups/reclamation projects.

I hope Doyle mashes, and does so in a way that doesn't prove any Soxtalk posters wrong.

10 hours ago, hi8is said:

Another poster shared similar sentiment from a Rockies forum post in this thread, calling Doyle “a dog”.

Seems taylor made for Schrif cheese too… “O-DOYLE RULES!!!”

You know what, f*** this, now it's a terrible trade if I have to hear this s%*# every night. lol.

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Since September first of last year (2025) Brenton Doyle is slashing 198/248/274 with a xwOBA of 235 with a -1.2 fWAR. That ranks him 76th of 77 players with 50+ PA's as an OF'er in wRC+ and it ranks him dead last in fWAR. The absolutely crazy thing is he's slashed that while carrying a .289 BABIP. In that period, he ranks 512 out of 518 players in fWAR, tied with Edgar Quero who the Sox just sent down because he's been so bad.

Not sure I'm seeing that "crushing it" part.

In 2025 July that year he hit .327 and in August he hit 7 home runs and .319. I’d say he was figuring it out and putting the loss of his son past him.

You’re including his stats from this year when he was playing through injury and are omitting what he did in AAA.

It’s obvious that he has had his struggles and I’ve illustrated those specifically in previous posts. They are similar things Vargas dealt with ( raising his hands, lift and pull, better swing decisions )…

There’s reasons for confidence because he showed capable of doing that in 2024.

I think it’s completely legitimate that a personal tragedy and pressing last year explains initial struggles… and his injuries this year are behind him.

He’s the exact profile of player that should benefit from Fuller and his gold glove defense from 23 to 25 was the best in baseball by some metrics.

If you can’t see the reasons for optimism and understand why they took this risk and only want to focus on what he did wrong for a period of time, then you must have had a hard on for Mason Adams that’s blinding you or something. 😆

It’s not a sure thing slam dunk but there are many reasons that you should understand what they’re going for here.

11 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

I actually kind of like the move for 2027 and beyond, but I don't like it for 2026. Doesn't offer enough as a hitter to PH late in games.

That said, a Peters-Doyle-Montgomery outfield in 9th innings with a lead is pretty dynamite

Yeah, it’s a fine buy low move, but is odd timing and potentially problematic for a playoff push. Our bench now has two incredibly weak RH hitters in Doyle & Acuna plus a question mark in Grichuk. Despite certain flaws, Pereira was very useful against LHP. We could find ourselves highly exposed against lefties down the stretch and into the playoffs now.

28 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

I hope Doyle mashes, and does so in a way that doesn't prove any Soxtalk posters wrong.

Don't think that's possible to make everyone right but it's a lovely thought.

11 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

You know what, f*** this, now it's a terrible trade if I have to hear this s%*# every night. lol.

I have the game thread GIF's queued for Good Doyle and Bad Doyle

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Yeah, it’s a fine buy low move, but is odd timing and potentially problematic for a playoff push. Our bench now has two incredibly weak RH hitters in Doyle & Acuna plus a question mark in Grichuk. Despite certain flaws, Pereira was very useful against LHP. We could find ourselves highly exposed against lefties down the stretch and into the playoffs now.

Hopefully Doyle can use that big boy body ( 6'3" 223 ) and start crushing a few bombs again. Just need a little luck of the Irish 🍀🍀 🍀, along with wizardry and Pope power.

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Since September first of last year (2025) Brenton Doyle is slashing 198/248/274 with a xwOBA of 235 with a -1.2 fWAR. That ranks him 76th of 77 players with 50+ PA's as an OF'er in wRC+ and it ranks him dead last in fWAR. The absolutely crazy thing is he's slashed that while carrying a .289 BABIP. In that period, he ranks 512 out of 518 players in fWAR, tied with Edgar Quero who the Sox just sent down because he's been so bad.

Not sure I'm seeing that "crushing it" part.

Clearly the article said the "crushing it" came in the 2nd half of 2025. Any idiot can look up the 2nd half stats on baseball Reference that will show that 56 game period they talked about which included a scorching hot August and bad September. I guess any idiot can't read though.

You take yourself a little too seriously being the contrarian and the holder of such high standards that you feel the need to set everyone straight while making it sound like the article included his struggles in 2026 .

35 minutes ago, hi8is said:

In 2025 July that year he hit .327 and in August he hit 7 home runs and .319. I’d say he was figuring it out and putting the loss of his son past him.

You’re including his stats from this year when he was playing through injury and are omitting what he did in AAA.

It’s obvious that he has had his struggles and I’ve illustrated those specifically in previous posts. They are similar things Vargas dealt with ( raising his hands, lift and pull, better swing decisions )…

There’s reasons for confidence because he showed capable of doing that in 2024.

I think it’s completely legitimate that a personal tragedy and pressing last year explains initial struggles… and his injuries this year are behind him.

He’s the exact profile of player that should benefit from Fuller and his gold glove defense from 23 to 25 was the best in baseball by some metrics.

If you can’t see the reasons for optimism and understand why they took this risk and only want to focus on what he did wrong for a period of time, then you must have had a hard on for Mason Adams that’s blinding you or something. 😆

It’s not a sure thing slam dunk but there are many reasons that you should understand what they’re going for here.

Ray Ray the Robot doesn't have time for injuries and personal problems. It's easy to be skeptical. Hope is seeing light in darkness and letting the light heal. Human beings understand that life and baseball reflect growing from failures.

43 minutes ago, hi8is said:

In 2025 July that year he hit .327 and in August he hit 7 home runs and .319. I’d say he was figuring it out and putting the loss of his son past him.

You’re including his stats from this year when he was playing through injury and are omitting what he did in AAA.

It’s obvious that he has had his struggles and I’ve illustrated those specifically in previous posts. They are similar things Vargas dealt with ( raising his hands, lift and pull, better swing decisions )…

There’s reasons for confidence because he showed capable of doing that in 2024.

I think it’s completely legitimate that a personal tragedy and pressing last year explains initial struggles… and his injuries this year are behind him.

He’s the exact profile of player that should benefit from Fuller and his gold glove defense from 23 to 25 was the best in baseball by some metrics.

If you can’t see the reasons for optimism and understand why they took this risk and only want to focus on what he did wrong for a period of time, then you must have had a hard on for Mason Adams that’s blinding you or something. 😆

It’s not a sure thing slam dunk but there are many reasons that you should understand what they’re going for here.

So September of last year wasn't in the second half and doesn't count?

One of my favorite Soxtalk exercises is the removal of all bad periods and the emphasis on good periods only.

And he's nothing like Vargas. Vargas always had great strike zone command and an elite approach. Doyle has bad strike zone command and a poor approach. The White Sox acquired one of the worst players in baseball over the last 1 1/2 years but you've painted this giant rose. Very fascinating.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run

11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Clearly the article said the "crushing it" came in the 2nd half of 2025. Any idiot can look up the 2nd half stats on baseball Reference that will show that 56 game period they talked about which included a scorching hot August and bad September. I guess any idiot can't read though.

You take yourself a little too seriously being the contrarian and the holder of such high standards that you feel the need to set everyone straight while making it sound like the article included his struggles in 2026 .

1. There was no article.

2. September is also in the second half of 2025, in case you were wondering.

3. He wasn't playing injured in 2026, he got hurt and then missed time.

I take myself too seriously but you're running around calling me an idiot because I post facts (worst outfielder in baseball since September 1st) about a players performance.

I just find it hilarious that Soxtalk couldn't wait to demote and move on from Edgar Quero because he was "so bad" yet he has the same fWAR as Brenton Doyle since September 1st of last year and Quero has played more games, so Doyle has been even worse.

9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I just find it hilarious that Soxtalk couldn't wait to demote and move on from Edgar Quero because he was "so bad" yet he has the same fWAR as Brenton Doyle since September 1st of last year and Quero has played more games, so Doyle has been even worse.

Quero seems to need work on all parts of his game, whereas it could be assumed that Doyle's defense will play. I don't know how catching defense affects fWAR, but I've always found that fWAR and bWAR were pretty useless when including catching defense. Does Baseball Prospectus still have the best catcher ranking system?

29 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

1. There was no article.

2. September is also in the second half of 2025, in case you were wondering.

3. He wasn't playing injured in 2026, he got hurt and then missed time.

I take myself too seriously but you're running around calling me an idiot because I post facts (worst outfielder in baseball since September 1st) about a players performance.

I just find it hilarious that Soxtalk couldn't wait to demote and move on from Edgar Quero because he was "so bad" yet he has the same fWAR as Brenton Doyle since September 1st of last year and Quero has played more games, so Doyle has been even worse.

What made you choose September 1 as the beginning of the time period showing him as the worst outfielder?

2 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

What made you choose September 1 as the beginning of the time period showing him as the worst outfielder?

I'm a bully, but if you start at August 1st he moves all the way up to 177 of 184 outfielders with 50+ PA's. Moving up!!

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I'm a bully, but if you start at August 1st he moves all the way up to 177 of 184 outfielders with 50+ PA's. Moving up!!

I wasn’t asking you because I was trying to defend Doyle. I was asking because it seemed obvious you chose September 1 because it made Doyle look as bad as possible, which I think you are willing to admit with your “bully” comment.

Edited 35 minutes ago35 min by SoxBlanco

Just now, SoxBlanco said:

I wasn’t asking you because I was trying to defend Doyle. I was asking because it seemed obvious you chose September 1 because it made Doyle look as bad as possible.

To be fair, it's not that hard to make him look bad. I actually chose the date because he matched Quero over that same time frame so it seemed more relatable. Lazy stats work from me in this one where I told the story before I validated the data.