These call-up’s got me thinking about the rotation plan for next year. Burke, Martin, Castillo, & Kay all under control through 2027. Then you have the big three SP prospects in Schultz, Hagen, & McDougal. Finally, you got Thorpe & Shane as additional depth options.

I think don’t think you can enter 2027 with five of those guys as your rotation and call yourself a serious contender. A legit TOR starter needs to be added. However, I also think you can’t block all your major prospects and forgoe that long-term development. Getz has to find a way to balance these two priorities.

This is part of the reason I found the Castillo trade so peculiar. He is all but guaranteed a spot that could have gone to a more impactful pitcher. Do they trade Kay or use him as their swingman? This is obviously a good problem to have, but only if you go out and get that big fish in free agency. Castillo is at best a mid rotation guy and none of the prospects should counted on for more the back of the rotation performance given their 2026 seasons.

10 hours ago, wegner said:

Worried that Smith will walk too many. Hope I am wrong.

I hope you are wrong but I think you will end up being right.

8 hours ago, tray said:

Youth has the advantage of having a longer view.

For my own reasons, I hoped they'd make a run this season. Oh well.

You have a point. They were literally two acquisitions away from doing what you said. Instead, we get this and Lee/Haase soon.

12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

These call-up’s got me thinking about the rotation plan for next year. Burke, Martin, Castillo, & Kay all under control through 2027. Then you have the big three SP prospects in Schultz, Hagen, & McDougal. Finally, you got Thorpe & Shane as additional depth options.

I think don’t think you can enter 2027 with five of those guys as your rotation and call yourself a serious contender. A legit TOR starter needs to be added. However, I also think you can’t block all your major prospects and forgoe that long-term development. Getz has to find a way to balance these two priorities.

This is part of the reason I found the Castillo trade so peculiar. He is all but guaranteed a spot that could have gone to a more impactful pitcher. Do they trade Kay or use him as their swingman? This is obviously a good problem to have, but only if you go out and get that big fish in free agency. Castillo is at best a mid rotation guy and none of the prospects should counted on for more the back of the rotation performance given their 2026 seasons.

I think you trade Kay. With that stated, I wouldn't be opposed to doing this old school and bringing these guys up as bullpen guys or using an opener for them as they get a feel. They have to get used to major league hitting and there's only oh so much you can do in the minors.

For Castillo, someone else smartly pointed out - with the lockout looming next year, we may not get baseball at all. Therefore, Luis will not reach 180IP and that option becomes void. So effectively, they may only have him for this year.

A bigger problem to me is catching. I felt like we had way too many C in the system just two years ago. Now, they haven't panned out either due to injury or talent. I'm at the point of finding Korey Lee's post because it can't be any worse. Heck, I would've given Boston Smith a chance at this point.

I was one of those who didn't think C was that important for Getz to acquire at the deadline, but now I'm realizing, they probably should've looked for a solution there.

2 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said:

I think you trade Kay. With that stated, I wouldn't be opposed to doing this old school and bringing these guys up as bullpen guys or using an opener for them as they get a feel. They have to get used to major league hitting and there's only oh so much you can do in the minors.

For Castillo, someone else smartly pointed out - with the lockout looming next year, we may not get baseball at all. Therefore, Luis will not reach 180IP and that option becomes void. So effectively, they may only have him for this year.

A bigger problem to me is catching. I felt like we had way too many C in the system just two years ago. Now, they haven't panned out either due to injury or talent. I'm at the point of finding Korey Lee's post because it can't be any worse. Heck, I would've given Boston Smith a chance at this point.

I was one of those who didn't think C was that important for Getz to acquire at the deadline, but now I'm realizing, they probably should've looked for a solution there.

You are right about catcher, but that’s how quickly it changed. I thought they were stacked at catcher and reserves in the offseason. It looked good on paper — Teel, Quero, Lee, and Romo.

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I also wouldn't be opposed to the White Sox adding depth and signing Zack Littel for the rest of the season.

20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

These call-up’s got me thinking about the rotation plan for next year. Burke, Martin, Castillo, & Kay all under control through 2027. Then you have the big three SP prospects in Schultz, Hagen, & McDougal. Finally, you got Thorpe & Shane as additional depth options.

I think don’t think you can enter 2027 with five of those guys as your rotation and call yourself a serious contender. A legit TOR starter needs to be added. However, I also think you can’t block all your major prospects and forgoe that long-term development. Getz has to find a way to balance these two priorities.

This is part of the reason I found the Castillo trade so peculiar. He is all but guaranteed a spot that could have gone to a more impactful pitcher. Do they trade Kay or use him as their swingman? This is obviously a good problem to have, but only if you go out and get that big fish in free agency. Castillo is at best a mid rotation guy and none of the prospects should counted on for more the back of the rotation performance given their 2026 seasons.

If Kay finishes the season strong, I think he could actually have decent trade value in the offseason. He will essentially be on a 1 year/$6 million contract, but I doubt he is part of the long term plans here. As such, it could make sense to flip him.

I’d like a rotation of Burke/free agent signing/trade acquisition/Martin/Castillo. Go package up some prospects for a proven top of the rotation guy and then spend some money on another proven arm.

1 minute ago, nitetrain8601 said:

I also wouldn't be opposed to the White Sox adding depth and signing Zack Littel for the rest of the season.

I posted this and it’s probably worth it even if he sucks cuz he should cost nothing. However, it looks like his strikeouts are way down compared to previous years for some reason so he may not help much.

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I posted this and it’s probably worth it even if he sucks cuz he should cost nothing. However, it looks like his strikeouts are way down compared to previous years for some reason so he may not help much.

Littell is terrible.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Littell is terrible.

Yeah, but why? He was effective over the years and as recently as last season. Any idea what happened to him?

7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Littell is terrible.

6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, but why? He was effective over the years and as recently as last season. Any idea what happened to him?

He's had some good games. I think, at the very least, he should be an adult arm in the room who can give you some innings.

11 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said:

I think you trade Kay. With that stated, I wouldn't be opposed to doing this old school and bringing these guys up as bullpen guys or using an opener for them as they get a feel. They have to get used to major league hitting and there's only oh so much you can do in the minors.

For Castillo, someone else smartly pointed out - with the lockout looming next year, we may not get baseball at all. Therefore, Luis will not reach 180IP and that option becomes void. So effectively, they may only have him for this year.

A bigger problem to me is catching. I felt like we had way too many C in the system just two years ago. Now, they haven't panned out either due to injury or talent. I'm at the point of finding Korey Lee's post because it can't be any worse. Heck, I would've given Boston Smith a chance at this point.

I was one of those who didn't think C was that important for Getz to acquire at the deadline, but now I'm realizing, they probably should've looked for a solution there.

I think Hagen could very well spend next season in the major league bullpen and sort of being the Newcomb replacement. I’d like to keep stretching out Schultz & McDougal though, even if that has to be at AAA. Both are 23 years old and can afford more development if we so choose. I forgot to mention Sandlin in my previous post, but I could also see him move to the bullpen in a multi inning role.

I could see a bullpen like this next season:

• CL: Taylor

• SU: Hicks

• SU: H. Smith*

• MR: Brazoban

• MR: Hudson*

• MR: Sandlin

• MR: Murphy*

• LR: S. Smith

Pen is DOA right now need arms

2 hours ago, oldsox said:

Just DFA Richards after his Thursday night breakdown in Boston.

Joe rock and Johnathan cannon needs to go before richards.

16 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

Joe rock and Johnathan cannon needs to go before richards.

You can’t dump those epic porn star names.

19 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

Joe rock and Johnathan cannon needs to go before richards.

Cannon has been lights out for the last month. Agree on Rock

31 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You can’t dump those epic porn star names.

They need to grow some epic 'staches pronto!!!

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

These call-up’s got me thinking about the rotation plan for next year. Burke, Martin, Castillo, & Kay all under control through 2027. Then you have the big three SP prospects in Schultz, Hagen, & McDougal. Finally, you got Thorpe & Shane as additional depth options.

I think don’t think you can enter 2027 with five of those guys as your rotation and call yourself a serious contender. A legit TOR starter needs to be added. However, I also think you can’t block all your major prospects and forgoe that long-term development. Getz has to find a way to balance these two priorities.

This is part of the reason I found the Castillo trade so peculiar. He is all but guaranteed a spot that could have gone to a more impactful pitcher. Do they trade Kay or use him as their swingman? This is obviously a good problem to have, but only if you go out and get that big fish in free agency. Castillo is at best a mid rotation guy and none of the prospects should counted on for more the back of the rotation performance given their 2026 seasons.

I know he isn't getting enough innings for it, but I still think the plan is for Grant Taylor to be a starter next season

It’s not like this was not plan. Clearly they have been preparing for this move for the past month.

These boys are not going to be in high leverage situations at least right away. They are replacing dudes like Murphy who have not got any guys out in the last month.

Our high leverage boys have been great all year.

1 hour ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

If Kay finishes the season strong, I think he could actually have decent trade value in the offseason. He will essentially be on a 1 year/$6 million contract, but I doubt he is part of the long term plans here. As such, it could make sense to flip him.

I’d like a rotation of Burke/free agent signing/trade acquisition/Martin/Castillo. Go package up some prospects for a proven top of the rotation guy and then spend some money on another proven arm.

Castillo is their big ticket item for next year

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

Castillo is their big ticket item for next year

That would be disappointing.

Just now, ChiSoxFanMike said:

That would be disappointing.

They wanted an “ace” and knew they weren’t going to sign one in free agency.

If you want them to add a quality pitcher for next head, you better hope Carlson raises his stock. Unfortunately outside of Bonemer and the recent draft class, everyone’s trade value has tanked.

I am confirmed in my resolve that Schultz wont be in baseball in 2 years. What a failure.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, but why? He was effective over the years and as recently as last season. Any idea what happened to him?

He was always living on the edge as a command based arm with pretty below average stuff. Rays were able to maximize his outcomes, but we're talking about a guy with a career FIP near 4.7 whose stuff has taken another step back. He's always given up a bunch of bombs and this year is no different, and he's actually giving up even more flyballs, with a lot of hard contact. Not a good combo.