3 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

For the people who think a collapse is imminent, what evidence have you seen to show you this? This team is resilient as hell and has not had a long losing streak. We really just have to split our remaining games with our division foes and we are fine.

Historically, the White Sox have often gone into a tail spin after getting beat-up by the cubs.

So far the organizations deadline deals don't look so hot do they?

Castillo is mediocre at best, Brazoban has been a disaster, Doyle is meh doesn't move the needle and Bart got hurt.

Great job right? 😉

1 minute ago, Lip Man 1 said:

So far the organizations deadline deals don't look so hot do they?

Castillo is mediocre at best, Brazoban has been a disaster, Doyle is meh doesn't move the needle and Bart got hurt.

Great job right? 😉

They’d be better if those deals never happened

34 minutes ago, Bonemer, I Hardly Know Her said:

I understand the Will criticism but do you ever sit there after a win and point out good Will decisions?

(Satire)

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by ron883

Screw this - yeah this is a bump, but this team battles. Keep grinding, create momentum and shock us in October. Let’s go!!!

Example of pitching depth concern….Burke is already at a career high in innings. Ideally you get him an extra day of rest whenever possible. Gonna be hard to do with the available options.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Example of pitching depth concern….Burke is already at a career high in innings. Ideally you get him an extra day of rest whenever possible. Gonna be hard to do with the available options.

Yup it's basically impossible to do that right now when we only have 3 starters. 4 if you count Fedde.

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Yup it's basically impossible to do that right now when we only have 3 starters. 4 if you count Fedde.

Type of stuff that needed to be considered a few weeks ago. You already have Martin saying he’s tiring, and it’s been widely speculated Schultz was close to his innings total.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by fathom

8 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

For the people who think a collapse is imminent, what evidence have you seen to show you this? This team is resilient as hell and has not had a long losing streak. We really just have to split our remaining games with our division foes and we are fine.

Fair point, they are saved for wont of a better word by being in a crap division.

But at some point the pitching staff has got to break down and that's been happening as I posted especially in the late innings, four times in the last 12 games they've blown and lost the lead.

They've been resorting to bullpen games in three of the last six games, soon to be four of seven Wednesday because they literally have only three starting pitchers right now they can count on (maybe).

That's not good.

Even a guy like Hudson who had a great first half has been brutal since the All-Star Break.

And like Fathom posted the minor leagues don't look like they are going to produce any 'saviors'. I understand Shane Smith had another bad game for example.

This division hasn't been won yet...not even close. The schedule eases up (on paper) but these guys may be so beat up and worn out it may not matter.

We'll see.

11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

So far the organizations deadline deals don't look so hot do they?

Castillo is mediocre at best, Brazoban has been a disaster, Doyle is meh doesn't move the needle and Bart got hurt.

Great job right? 😉

Exactly. Getz is a farm league guru of sorts but has no business dealing in trades with real mlb general managers even though he “may” get one right every once in a while.

17 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said:

Historically, the White Sox have often gone into a tail spin after getting beat-up by the cubs.

They have?

Anyways, can’t really ask for a worse scenario tomorrow than Holmes and his sinker ball against Urquidy, a fly ball pitcher.

11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

So far the organizations deadline deals don't look so hot do they?

Castillo is mediocre at best, Brazoban has been a disaster, Doyle is meh doesn't move the needle and Bart got hurt.

Great job right? 😉

As much as the Cubs and their ownership get crap for being cheap and never truly “going for it”, their front office identified their extreme need for starting pitching due to injuries and lack of performance better than Getz did and they acquired four starters prior to the deadline.

Peterson

Civale (being used in bullpen but was starting for A’s)

Gausman

Holmes

Getz needed two starters at a minimum and only acquired one. They didn’t really need a CF that swings a wet newspaper.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by WhiteSox2023

26 minutes ago, fathom said:

Pitching running out of gas and nothing in the pipeline that can be of help. I don’t think it would be a massive collapse, but the Sox are a .500 team since the ASB.

If we continue on that pace, we make the playoffs.

2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

But at some point the pitching staff has got to break down and that's been happening as I posted especially in the late innings, four times in the last 12 games they've blown and lost the lead.

The pen always takes the heat, but not every game you lose late is fully on them.

Cubs have been held to 2 or fewer runs at home only 4 times all season, Wrigley just has not been the place for even the best and freshest arms to try ekeing out a 3-2 win. They needed to get more than 3 runs out of 10 hits + a few walks.

But the Sox have certainly been burned by an especially taxing run of incidents with the Martin rainout, Schultz 1 inning start, Martin ejection/blister, some extra innings games, and the loss of Thurday's off day (which I imagine impacted strategy for this series) all happening in quick succession on top of the expected workload concerns.

24 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

So far the organizations deadline deals don't look so hot do they?

Castillo is mediocre at best, Brazoban has been a disaster, Doyle is meh doesn't move the needle and Bart got hurt.

Great job right? 😉

Castillo threw a masterpiece against the Reds. He was the victim of bad luck in his other two starts. Nobody could have predicted Bart would have gotten hurt on a freak hit by pitch. Brazoban was very good leading up to this Tigers series. Clearly something mechanical is going on because I watched him a lot with the Mets and he was one of their best relievers. I'll give you Doyle, although he has shown flashes of brilliance. And at the very least, his arrival has coincided with Peter's finding his stroke at the plate.

4 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

The pen always takes the heat, but not every game you lose late is fully on them.

Cubs have been held to 2 or fewer runs at home only 4 times all season, Wrigley just has not been the place for even the best and freshest arms to try ekeing out a 3-2 win. They needed to get more than 3 runs out of 10 hits + a few walks.

But the Sox have certainly been burned by an especially taxing run of incidents with the Martin rainout, Schultz 1 inning start, Martin ejection/blister, some extra innings games, and the loss of Thurday's off day (which I imagine impacted strategy for this series) all happening in quick succession on top of the expected workload concerns.

Great post! Given the conditions, the offense is to blame for these two loses. Vargas has been really bad in these two games, as has Chase (at the plate).

Newcomb opening tomorrow. Truly hate this, hated it when we did it earlier in the year. Who pitches at the end of the game if we need it? Just let the guy who starts be the starter

30 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said:

Historically, the White Sox have often gone into a tail spin after getting beat-up by the cubs.

Please point me to when otherwise good White Sox teams have gone into a tailspin after getting beat by the Cubs? 2008? 2005? 2012 (pretty sure the cubs took 2 of 3 in June from us)? Those teams that went into a tailspin were crap to begin with. If anything it's the cubs who have nose dived after getting beat by the Sox (anyone remember 99?)

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Colome's Hat

34 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I don’t know if people are predicting a collapse but it’s obvious they don’t have enough pitching. That doesn’t mean they still can’t limp into the postseason somehow.

Sox are fortunate that the Central is a weak division, so you may be able to win it with a .500 record coming in. If we want to make the playoffs, we will need to win the division. Wild card for the Central would be more difficult.

10 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

Please point me to when otherwise good White Sox teams have gone into a tailspin after getting beat by the Cubs? 2008? 2005? 2012 (pretty sure the cubs took 2 of 3 in June from us)? Those teams that went into a tailspin were crap to begin with. If anything it's the cubs who have nose dived after getting beat by the Sox (anyone remember 99?)

Even this year, Cubs lost the first crosstown and it started a 9L for them. But this Sox team has shrugged off worse than a couple close losses.

I know losing back to back walk off games to the Cubs hurts but some of the negativity on here is a bit OTT.

The team are 5 games over and 4 games in the lead in the central. All season they have shown fight against the top teams, yes they have often just fallen short against these top teams, but even in these last 2 games they were right in there until the end which is a massive improvement on the last few seasons.

Only a few days ago they were sweeping the Tigers and everything was good. Yes there are concerns over the strength of the pitching and whether they will run out of gas but I think the positives of this season far outweigh any negatives and if they qualify for post season they will have far outperformed any but the wildest expectations.

2 hours ago, almagest said:

Yeah man I just don't think they were getting an impact starter, much less two, at the deadline without completely mortgaging the farm. The best starter traded at the deadline was Soriano and he would've cost Bonemer.

Getz should have traded Bonemer. He probably has no place on the roster next year, especially if Roch comes up.

2 hours ago, fathom said:

Someone said Thorpe is capped at 75 pitches this year

Even if he is, he might be our last hope at this point. Running out of viable starters. He’s schedule to start today so hopefully he has another good outing.

Edited 58 minutes ago58 min by WhiteSox2023

Go Brewers.