11 hours ago11 hr There will be a fuckton of SP available this offseason, which made the Castillo trade even dumber than it was on paper. Regardless, you have to add two guys who can give you quality innings. This is what I’d like to see happen with the pitching staff to start the season:Rotation:Burke<Free Agent><Free Agent>D. MartinL. CastilloBullpen:CL: G. TaylorSU: H. Smith*SU: J. HicksMR: <S. Newcomb*>MR: H. BrazobanMR: B. Hudson*LR: D. SandlinLR: A. Kay*AAA Rotation:N. Schultz*D. ThorpeT. McDougalS. SmithK. Bush*M. VasilCastillo gets an incredibly short leash and is replaced by Schultz, Sandlin, or Thorpe if he’s still the 2026 guy. Martin gets a longer leash, but has to show signs that is was the calf injury impacting his performance down the stretch or he eventually gets moved to the bullpen. Hagen & Taylor remain key bullpen pieces alongside Hicks and a resigned Newcomb. Kay moves to a swingman role. AAA rotation serves as depth to both major league rotation & bullpen.Give me this and we are cooking. Also, cue the CBA fear mongers who assume we will spend zero money this coming offseason and will rock a $100M payroll.
11 hours ago11 hr 4 minutes ago, fathom said:That’s not good though if they want to make these guys starters on a full time basis next yearThere's no definitive medical reason that limits innings. Prep them all to be starters and whoever is good will stay a starter until they're no longer good. Whoever isn't goes in the bullpen.
11 hours ago11 hr 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Big innings jumps is likely what wiped out Shane Smith, fwiw.Has gone through so many injuries and career set backs from his college days.Didn’t Shane Smith go rogue and work with a Driveline group last offseason and change up his mechanics?
10 hours ago10 hr 4 minutes ago, almagest said:There's no definitive medical reason that limits innings. Prep them all to be starters and whoever is good will stay a starter until they're no longer good. Whoever isn't goes in the bullpen.Have you not seen how incredibly careful the Sox are with Schultz and Hagen?
10 hours ago10 hr 10 minutes ago, fathom said:Have you not seen how incredibly careful the Sox are with Schultz and Hagen?They had Schultz starting until he showed he wasn't ready yet. Smith had too many command issues to trust going for longer than a couple innings. They'll 100% have both prepped to be starters next year unless they don't think they can do it.
7 hours ago7 hr 3 hours ago, fathom said:Have you not seen how incredibly careful the Sox are with Schultz and Hagen?Youre right. And I think that did Schultz a disservice. All of those short starts in the minors were to protect him and handle innings but when he got up to the bigs and struggled after a few innings everyone wondered why. I thought in order for them to be a "surprise" team in 2026 one of either Scultz or Smith would have to have a breakout year as a starter. That didnt happen but nothing says it won't next year.
7 hours ago7 hr 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:Didn’t Shane Smith go rogue and work with a Driveline group last offseason and change up his mechanics?I thought it was the Sox who wanted to reshape a pitch to keep hitters off of a different pitch, at least that's what I remember
6 hours ago6 hr 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:There will be a fuckton of SP available this offseason, which made the Castillo trade even dumber than it was on paper. Regardless, you have to add two guys who can give you quality innings. This is what I’d like to see happen with the pitching staff to start the season:Rotation:Burke<Free Agent><Free Agent>D. MartinL. CastilloBullpen:CL: G. TaylorSU: H. Smith*SU: J. HicksMR: <S. Newcomb*>MR: H. BrazobanMR: B. Hudson*LR: D. SandlinLR: A. Kay*AAA Rotation:N. Schultz*D. ThorpeT. McDougalS. SmithK. Bush*M. VasilCastillo gets an incredibly short leash and is replaced by Schultz, Sandlin, or Thorpe if he’s still the 2026 guy. Martin gets a longer leash, but has to show signs that is was the calf injury impacting his performance down the stretch or he eventually gets moved to the bullpen. Hagen & Taylor remain key bullpen pieces alongside Hicks and a resigned Newcomb. Kay moves to a swingman role. AAA rotation serves as depth to both major league rotation & bullpen.Give me this and we are cooking. Also, cue the CBA fear mongers who assume we will spend zero money this coming offseason and will rock a $100M payroll.What free agent pitcher would want to come to a team like the white sox who decide who’s opening, who’s starting, and who’s relieving by throwing a dart against the wall. Why come to the Sox when you can go somewhere else and continue to be a starter as opposed to an early inning beginning reliever?
6 hours ago6 hr 45 minutes ago, Lightly Folded said:What free agent pitcher would want to come to a team like the white sox who decide who’s opening, who’s starting, and who’s relieving by throwing a dart against the wall. Why come to the Sox when you can go somewhere else and continue to be a starter as opposed to an early inning beginning reliever?What in the world are you talking about?
6 hours ago6 hr 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:What in the world are you talking about?People, for some reason, think what the Sox did towards the end of the year was this brand new strategy they will do forever instead of something they had to do because of current personal.
5 hours ago5 hr 14 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:People, for some reason, think what the Sox did towards the end of the year was this brand new strategy they will do forever instead of something they had to do because of current personal.There is plenty to rip Venable for, but dude was given zero SP and had to be creative down the stretch and in the playoffs. Free agent SPs should be eager for the opportunity to join a playoff team in one of the worst divisions in baseball who are desperate for SP.
5 hours ago5 hr 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:There is plenty to rip Venable for, but dude was given zero SP and had to be creative down the stretch and in the playoffs. Free agent SPs should be eager for the opportunity to join a playoff team in one of the worst divisions in baseball who are desperate for SP.Amazing that in our elimination game the Sox pitching was great. That was a hall of fame home run Ramirez hit....cannot blame Burke at all for that one.
4 hours ago4 hr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:There is plenty to rip Venable for, but dude was given zero SP and had to be creative down the stretch and in the playoffs. Free agent SPs should be eager for the opportunity to join a playoff team in one of the worst divisions in baseball who are desperate for SP.Do you truly believe JR is going to start offering 4+ year deals for the likes of Michael King and Peralta?Because the two year bargain guys returning from overseas like Fedde and Kay have become the new standard at lower payroll numbers.What about a Japanese or Korean starter in FA?
4 hours ago4 hr 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Do you truly believe JR is going to start offering 4+ year deals for the likes of Michael King and Peralta?Because the two year bargain guys returning from overseas like Fedde and Kay have become the new standard at lower payroll numbers.What about a Japanese or Korean starter in FA?Nope. Pull up the list of geriatric starters that are 34+ years old. 1 and 2 year deals only. Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by WhiteSox2023
3 hours ago3 hr 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:Do you truly believe JR is going to start offering 4+ year deals for the likes of Michael King and Peralta?Because the two year bargain guys returning from overseas like Fedde and Kay have become the new standard at lower payroll numbers.What about a Japanese or Korean starter in FA?Yes, I do think that. Won’t be Skubal, but I think most other guys will be on the table. Not sure why we are using moves made during clear rebuilding years as a proxy for how we will act during our competitive window.
2 hours ago2 hr 53 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:Yes, I do think that. Won’t be Skubal, but I think most other guys will be on the table. Not sure why we are using moves made during clear rebuilding years as a proxy for how we will act during our competitive window.Because he hates giving long term deals to pitchers
2 hours ago2 hr 14 minutes ago, fathom said:Because he hates giving long term deals to pitchersExactly, he's made that philosophy abundantly clear over the years.He is unwilling to take those type risks because of the injury factor.And again he may be exactly right in his thinking.The problem though is the other teams don't feel that way so the Sox are behind the eight ball.
2 hours ago2 hr 15 minutes ago, fathom said:Because he hates giving long term deals to pitchersHe’s given out four year deals and has offered five year deals to pitchers. Again, he’s not going to give Skubal a 10 year deal, but there will be good SPs in our price range for sure.
2 hours ago2 hr 2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:Exactly, he's made that philosophy abundantly clear over the years.He is unwilling to take those type risks because of the injury factor.And again he may be exactly right in his thinking.The problem though is the other teams don't feel that way so the Sox are behind the eight ball.Or they draft/develop their own pitchers.See CLE TB MIL.
2 hours ago2 hr 2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:Exactly, he's made that philosophy abundantly clear over the years.He is unwilling to take those type risks because of the injury factor.And again he may be exactly right in his thinking.The problem though is the other teams don't feel that way so the Sox are behind the eight ball.Are you disputing we offered Wheeler a 5 year deal? How many years do you think our offer to Tanaka was?
2 hours ago2 hr 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:Are you disputing we offered Wheeler a 5 year deal? How many years do you think our offer to Tanaka was?For example:How much should Getz offer Trevor Rogers in years/dollars?Even Mune money ($17 million per year) just puts you squarely in the upper band of Tier B starters...And Rogers/Peralta/King are basically it and then you're already down to Tier B.MLB Trade Rumors2026-27 MLB Free Agent Power Rankings: Final Check-InThe 2026 season is almost over. Which free agents will head into the offseason with the most momentum? MLB Trade Rumors has you covered. Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by caulfield12
22 minutes ago22 min 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:For example:How much should Getz offer Trevor Rogers in years/dollars?Even Mune money ($17 million per year) just puts you squarely in the upper band of Tier B starters...And Rogers/Peralta/King are basically it and then you're already down to Tier B.MLB Trade Rumors2026-27 MLB Free Agent Power Rankings: Final Check-InThe 2026 season is almost over. Which free agents will head into the offseason with the most momentum? MLB Trade Rumors has you covered.If he doesn't retire, Sonny gray might be a good choice.
19 minutes ago19 min 2 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:If he doesn't retire, Sonny gray might be a good choice.Really buying high in his walk year coming off fairly pedestrian results (for him) the two previous years.At his age, will probably get a one year HIGH AAV or three years guaranteed.
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