fathom Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 After reading the tidbit in the Chicago Tribune, I really have to wonder what KW was thinking bringing in Carl Everett with the 4 million dollar option he has next year. If Ozzie or KW are planning on playing him in the outfield, they're nuts. There isn't a worse defensive outfield in baseball than Carl. Therefore, Everett as a DH makes no sense either with Frank supposedly being 100 pct next year to start the season. With this team's payroll, there is NO way that they should have a 4 million dollar bench player. That's just horrible planning for the future by KW. Hell, Ross Gload would have been a better option to replace Frank at DH than Everett has. It's very scary to think that Valentin could easily be starting at SS next year, and Everett playing in RF. This organization is baffling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 i agree completely about everett... his defense sucks... and 4 million dollars down the drain next year does too.... however, on his very little brightside.... he did hit over 300 with the rangers while health last year... did pretty good with us in 2003 as well... in 2004 he has been nothing but injured, yet has still done ok with us... if he is 100 percent healthy and in top notch shape in spring training, he might be a s***ty RF with good numbers from the left side of the plate... i mean, it isnt unrealistic to say, if healthy, he could hit .300/25/80 on the other hand of your topic is jose v... every single indacation is that he is outta here, i havent read one thing that indacates he will be with us again after 2004 and good riddence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Let's just kill two birds with one stone and put jurassic at shortstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 i agree completely about everett... his defense sucks... and 4 million dollars down the drain next year does too.... however, on his very little brightside.... he did hit over 300 with the rangers while health last year... did pretty good with us in 2003 as well... in 2004 he has been nothing but injured, yet has still done ok with us... if he is 100 percent healthy and in top notch shape in spring training, he might be a s***ty RF with good numbers from the left side of the plate... i mean, it isnt unrealistic to say, if healthy, he could hit .300/25/80 on the other hand of your topic is jose v... every single indacation is that he is outta here, i havent read one thing that indacates he will be with us again after 2004 and good riddence Dont have the quote w/me, but Ozzie said a few days ago that he would be ok with Valentin at SS next year, while dissing Uribe being the everyday SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I believe Jurrasic has a players option. I don't think it is up to KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Dont have the quote w/me, but Ozzie said a few days ago that he would be ok with Valentin at SS next year, while dissing Uribe being the everyday SS. He said that, but there is talk that part of the reason is because Uribe is going to be arbitration eligible, and he probably doesn't want to talk bad about Valentin if they aren't going to sign him. Why rip him if you like the guy, but don't want him back? I seriously doubt he's back, but we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Ozzie did zing Carl for being fat yesterday. Maybe they're going to make him feel unwanted so he won't want to come back. Only way Jose returns is at about half the price. we're going with either Uribe, Valdez or Vizquel at SS, I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 On whitesox.com, there's an article titled "A new shortstop in '05?" I don't see the Sox putting that article up if they are seriously considering bringing Jose back. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I've never seen a team website that didn't toe the official team line pretty carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Doesn't Carl's contract have a buyout clause for next season? If so I would hope the Sox exercise that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 What I'd like done is to see Rowand move over to right field, Willie in center and sign Visquel to play shortstop while Uribe plays second. This is assuming that Willie can improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I don't know if I like Carl in RF either. My only real problem with it is the guy can't even run slightly wrong without getting himself hurt and on the bench for a few games. He might even be worse then Juan Gone. Maybe if he could prove that he could come to camp in shape and ready to play the field like he used too, and thats a big if, then I would take a chance on him. Let him, Joe Borchard, and Alex Escobar fight it out. If Carl can't get the job done trade him for someone who needs a decent DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Oh stupid me, I totally forgot about Borchard, wow I'm really clueless today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 What I'd like done is to see Rowand move over to right field, Willie in center and sign Visquel to play shortstop while Uribe plays second. This is assuming that Willie can improve. I love that idea. It does without saying that the longer Willie plays CF everyday the more he will improve at that position. He should just play winterball as a CF this year. I think that it's not as far out a scenario as some would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I believe Jurrasic has a players option. I don't think it is up to KW. that is my understanding as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I love that idea. It does without saying that the longer Willie plays CF everyday the more he will improve at that position. He should just play winterball as a CF this year. I think that it's not as far out a scenario as some would think. Thanks, the only problem is I forgot Borchard, but if Willie and Uribe can consistantly play better than Borchard, then there isn't a big problem with my hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I would like the title of this thread to be "next year without Everett." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 if Willie and Uribe can consistantly play better than Borchard If? How much doubt is left on that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I disagree, I dont like willie in center, I think he turns the double play better than alot of 2b I have seen, especially better than juan does from second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I disagree, I dont like willie in center, I think he turns the double play better than alot of 2b I have seen, especially better than juan does from second. Well then it becomes a question of what you would rather have. A great defensive second basemen with a ton of range or new blood at the SS position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 There in lies the dilemma. I think that Uribe and Willie turn one of the best double plays since ozzie and joey. But I would like a new SS to bring in some consistency, and some error free fielding. Juan's K's still bother me, because he swings at bad pitches more than Vlad, and Vlad hits them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 The thing that really bothers me about Juan is that he seems to want to be the next Sammy Sosa. His swing reminds me of Sammy's, his stance reminds me of Sammy's, his whole approach to the game reminds me of Sammy's. The problem with that is :sosasucks If he could learn to harness some control and lay off some of those bad pitches he could be one of the best offensive SS's in the game. I'm just not sure I see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierSox Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 On whitesox.com they have an article up about Everett for next. It seems like Ozzie wants him to come to spring training in shape and play outfield next year. Heres a link. Carl Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 If? How much doubt is left on that count? There's a lot of doubt. This team doesn't need to see their 1 and 2 hitters in the early part of the season both bat over .320, then 2 months later see them both under .270. That's just horrendous. I think Borchard will be a good player sometime, not right now though. But it's not like they're just going to give the positions to Harris and Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 If Carl is healthy he should have a pretty good year next year. The key is for him to be motivated and to show up. Since he'll be in Chitown next year and not Montreal I think he'll be in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 There's a lot of doubt. This team doesn't need to see their 1 and 2 hitters in the early part of the season both bat over .320, then 2 months later see them both under .270. That's just horrendous. I think Borchard will be a good player sometime, not right now though. But it's not like they're just going to give the positions to Harris and Uribe. Your response shows that Uribe and Harris are inconsistent, but that wasn't the point -- it was about their performance compared to Borchard's. I haven't seen one scintilla of evidence that Borchard can play as well as Uribe or Harris for any length of time longer than a single at-bat. And I didn't say that they should make them starters -- sure, let them compete, I just don't have (personally) much doubt about who would win if they were competing with Borchard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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