Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Ken Rosenthal just said this on Boers and Bernstein, this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 Make that Santana! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider17 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 11:06 AM) Ken Rosenthal just said this on Boers and Bernstein, this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 That's an excellent price for the Twinks considering this market. I have that much more respect for Santana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 s*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Damn, I was hoping he wouldn't give up his FA years. That means 4 more years of Johan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Levine must be sleeping nothing on ESPN 1000 yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 the deal isn't that great. as good as Santana has been for a year and a half, I'm not sure he's worth a deal like this just yet. don't get me wrong, he has all the ability in the world to go and repeat this past season ... I just have my doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 thats not good, i thought he'd at least test the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 He asked for Roy Halladay money and he nearly got it. After winning the Cy Young, Halladay signed to a four year, $42M deal. Santan signs for four years, $40M. Its not a good deal. Its not a bad deal. Its a fair deal and the Twins paid market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 05:38 PM) He asked for Roy Halladay money and he nearly got it. After winning the Cy Young, Halladay signed to a four year, $42M deal. Santan signs for four years, $40M. Its not a good deal. Its not a bad deal. Its a fair deal and the Twins paid market value. Santana has been dominant since 2002, it's not like he just suddenly broke out last season. It's debatable that he should have been a regular starter beginning that season. The market is paying guys with career mediocrity around $9M/yr, there's no way Santana got fair market value. I'd bet NY, BOS, ANA or any other team with $ would have paid him 3/40 this season, which means if he'd held on for FA he could have gotten more. From watching him pitch, which we have had to endure too much as white sox fans, there's no question the guy is an absolute stud and I didn't see anything that will make that change in the next couple of years. Nice to see a bit of loyalty to a small market team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplssoxfan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 From the Mpls Startribune.com Santana agrees to 4-year deal Star Tribune February 14, 2005 SANTANA0215 AL Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana and the Minnesota Twins agreed today to a four-year contract. The 25-year-old left-hander, who had been scheduled for a salary arbitration hearing Tuesday, led the league with a 2.61 ERA and 265 strikeouts last season. He become the first Venezuelan to win the Cy Young and the first unanimous winner in the AL since Pedro Martinez in 2000. He set a Twins record by winning 13 consecutive games and didn't lose in 15 starts after the All-Star break, going 13-0 with a 1.21 ERA to help Minnesota win its third straight AL Central division title. Santana, who would have been eligible for free agency after the 2006 season, had asked for a raise from $1.6 million to $6.8 million and had been offered $5 million by the Twins. I can't believe they got it done. There's a great deal of loyalty in that clubhouse; everyone really likes Gardenhire and, to a lesser extent, Ryan. With any luck, Ozzie can continue building the same sort of camaraderie the Twinks have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I hope he flops this year trying to live up to the money, and I hope this mortgages the Twins franchise for the next 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 dang, I wish he would've signed somewhere else when the time came. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 12:28 PM) I hope he flops this year trying to live up to the money, and I hope this mortgages the Twins franchise for the next 4 years. don't count on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 He sold himself short. After this season Randy Johnson's salary would of been a starting point. He's either stupid or just not greedy. Damn why can't we have players like that... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Going to move this to the Sports Bar, since it is Non-Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) Going to move this to the Sports Bar, since it is Non-Sox. You moved it just as I was making note of the fact. I actually think this is stuff is fine on the White Sox board but hell that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) He sold himself short. After this season Randy Johnson's salary would of been a starting point. He's either stupid or just not greedy. Damn why can't we have players like that... :headshake <{POST_SNAPBACK}> AJ? Dye? Frank? How about the contract that your boy Rowand signed after this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(thomsonmi @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) You moved it just as I was making note of the fact. I actually think this is stuff is fine on the White Sox board but hell that's just me. There's really no consensus or rules so to speak as to what goes where, I just moved it because it was Non-Sox. It'd get too confusing if we had certain guidelines, so we all just move stuff at our own discretion basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 01:20 PM) There's really no consensus or rules so to speak as to what goes where, I just moved it because it was Non-Sox. It'd get too confusing if we had certain guidelines, so we all just move stuff at our own discretion basically. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Better split the thread and take it to the Roadhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 QUOTE(thomsonmi @ Feb 14, 2005 -> 01:19 PM) You moved it just as I was making note of the fact. I actually think this is stuff is fine on the White Sox board but hell that's just me. Don't worry with an hour someone else will post it on Pale Hose talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 well somehow i knew the twins would get a deal with him done the only hope we have now is doesnt he have a history of injuries or am i just making that up. Btw love the new smilies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 We got Freddy for 3 years, $27 mill Twins got Santana for 4 years, $40 mill Just a little FYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Santana's agent should be fired for this disservice. Loyalty and commitment undoubtedly factors into contracts, but should have little weight when you're the reigning AL Cy Young in the midst of an inflated market. Rotoworld's right; he would have scored big on the FA market. This just epitomizes everything which defines the success of the Twins organization. I'm tired of hearing fans congratulating these bastards. The entire Twins organization (esp. minor league system), in addition to Jim Hendry, Billy Beane and Scott Boras, should be collectively removed from baseball. The world will look kindly upon the White Sox only when these four figures are removed from MLB service. Winning would help too, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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