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QUOTE(mr_genius @ Apr 3, 2006 -> 11:07 PM)
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QUOTE(rventura23 @ Apr 3, 2006 -> 10:50 PM)
I would much rather have Thome than Thomas, considering salary and the trade.  Thomes a better guy to have around, is less of an injury risk, and will do better than Frank this year (prediction)

although I love Frank and hes the greatest white sox in my life time (if not ever)

Let me break down why I disagree.

 

Gio Gonzalez and Dan Haigwood have the potential to be studs. We might have thrown away a big part of our future.

Rowand could have been trade bait in another form

The 7 mil spent on Thome could have been spent in a different form. (maybe making it easier to lock Mark B up) also could have signed Erubiel Durazo at the 4.5 he got.

 

 

So if you think Im crazy to like:

Frank,Gonzalez,Haigwood, Rowand, FA signing over Thome

 

Then we will agree to disagree.

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QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 12:48 AM)
Erubiel Durazo accepted a minor league deal with the Rangers but was released a week or two ago.  If we were depending on Durazo instead of Thome as our DH, our lineup would be a lot weaker right now.

that may have been a bad example, fact is we would have had nearly 7 mil to spend on someone else.

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Frank was grimmacing a lot last night. He's hoping to play 100 games this year, and I don't think he will make it. Thome is a guy who potentially could hit 50 homers, is left handed, something the Sox need, and draws a lot of walks, something else the Sox need, not to mention he is considered the best teammate in MLB. Rowand is a good player, not a great one, and the Sox strength in their minor league system is outfielders. Anderson can be a good player. He will be adequate this season and a year or 2 from now is likely to be just as good or better than Rowand. Gio and Haigwood, especially Gio to me, were tough to let go, but we have seen so many lower level studs turn to crap its well worth the gamble to me. Give KW credit for having the balls to make the moves. It would have been easy to sit back and do nothing with a world championship under his belt. We waited for minor leaguers refusing to trade them for known commodities under Ron Schueler, and we received performances from Scott Ruffcorn, James Baldwin, Rod Bolton, etc. that were very forgetable.

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 3, 2006 -> 11:06 PM)
Good God, you just reiterated what like a million other motherf***ers have said, word for word.  :puke

 

Are there a bunch of robots posting on soxtalk, or is it just me?

 

Yep, we are all stupid. Just like Tyson Chandler proving b****es wrong.....oh wait, you were even smart enough to remove that from your sig.

 

When Frank is injured within a month of now, make sure to stick with your boy this time at least.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 01:10 PM)
Yep, we are all stupid.  Just like Tyson Chandler proving b****es wrong.....oh wait, you were even smart enough to remove that from your sig.

 

When Frank is injured within a month of now, make sure to stick with your boy this time at least.

 

LOL, smart posters like genius and cheat just play along, and meanwhile, you continue to misunderstand everything.

 

1) Robots = A sizeable group of posters who spew the same word for word Thome>Thomas nonsense over and over and over and over again, as if it needed to be said for like the millionth time. I didn't say that everyone on soxtalk is a robot. I said that there are a bunch of robots on soxtalk. Get it?

 

2) I'd rather have Thome than Frank at this point. When did I ever indicate otherwise? I know that Frank can't stay healthy. That doesn't mean that it should be reiterated a million f***ing times.

 

3) Yeah, I abandoned Tyson Chandler, and then I removed some portion of my signature. I'm not sticking with my boy. That's why I have him in my avatar at talkbulls.com :rolly

 

I'll sit here and wait for a valid thought, though. Don't make we wait too long.

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 09:27 AM)
The days of the 50 HR mang are long gone, dicky baby.  :D

 

He has the potential to duke it out with Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz, Mark Teixera, and Chris Shelton for the AL HR crown, though.

 

I would be more inclined to say that the days of the 60 HR guys are long gone more than the 50 HR guy. Andruw Jones hit 51 last year, so it is still on the radar a bit. I definitely think that 50 HR is once again a very tough bench mark to reach, and no longer something that guys like Brady Anderson can just get on a good year(cough supplements cough).

 

But a 50 HR season is only going to be accomplished anymore by upper echelon players.

 

on a side note, looking at the HR totals throughout the last 15 years on this page, the "steroid era" in the late 90's really pops out at you.

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QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Apr 3, 2006 -> 10:48 PM)
Hmmm...

 

"Oakland Athletics shortstop Bobby Crosby left the game due to an injured hand/wrist."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/base...s.ap/index.html

A's shortstop Bobby Crosby injured his left hand making a play on Robinson Cano's slide into second in the third on a steal attempt. Cano's spikes cut and bruised Crosby's index finger. Crosby made a fielding error the next inning and was replaced by Antonio Perez to start the fifth.

 

Crosby was scheduled for X-rays and an examination by team doctor Jerrald Goldman on Tuesday.

 

"It's cut pretty good," manager Ken Macha said. "If I had to guess he probably won't play tomorrow. I hope it's only tomorrow."

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QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 02:37 PM)
I would be more inclined to say that the days of the 60 HR guys are long gone more than the 50 HR guy.  Andruw Jones hit 51 last year, so it is still on the radar a bit.  I definitely think that 50 HR is once again a very tough bench mark to reach, and no longer something that guys like Brady Anderson can just get on a good year(cough supplements cough).

 

But a 50 HR season is only going to be accomplished anymore by upper echelon players. 

 

on a side note, looking at the HR totals throughout the last 15 years on this page, the "steroid era" in the late 90's really pops out at you.

 

I can't believe that Andruw Jones made it to 50 HR. Atlanta and Philadelphia are nice parks to hit in, but the NL has like 7 of the best 10 pitching parks (Washington DC, New York, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Milwaukee, Wrigley Field with the wind blowing in half the time, etc).

 

I would expect that maybe one or two guys would reach 50 HR this year, and I'm really only looking at the AL East with all of those nice hitting parks (Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz). Playing a good amount of games in Seattle and Oakland will hold Teixera back from hitting 50.

 

People got so used to dudes putting up 50 HR that it's just natural to say "He can go for 50 this year". That's really the point that I was trying to make in response to dicky baby's post. But you're right, there are exceptions like Andruw Jones, etc.

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 09:59 AM)
I can't believe that Andruw Jones made it to 50 HR.  Atlanta and Philadelphia are nice parks to hit in, but the NL has like 7 of the best 10 pitching parks (Washington DC, New York, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Milwaukee, Wrigley Field with the wind blowing in half the time, etc).

 

I would expect that maybe one or two guys would reach 50 HR this year, and I'm really only looking at the AL East with all of those nice hitting parks (Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz).  Playing a good amount of games in Seattle and Oakland will hold Teixera back from hitting 50.

People got so used to dudes putting up 50 HR that it's just natural to say "He can go for 50 this year".  That's really the point that I was trying to make in response to dicky baby's post.  But you're right, there are exceptions like Andruw Jones, etc.

 

I agree with that completely. Baseball fans are going to have to deprogram themselves of the 50 HR benchmark, because it isnt easy like it was 5-8 years ago. 50 HR just went back to being the exception.

 

And Andruw Jones is just a freak if you ask me. I wish that KW would have pulled the trigger for Maggs back in the day, but hindsight is 20/20.

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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 05:10 AM)
Frank was grimmacing a lot last night. He's hoping to play 100 games this year, and I don't think he will make it. Thome is a guy who potentially could hit 50 homers, is left handed, something the Sox need, and draws a lot of walks, something else the Sox need, not to mention he is considered the best teammate in MLB.

 

:cheers

 

Good for Frank last night. I hope that he can manage those 100 games in Oakland and eventually makes it to 500 HRs. But his time in Chicago was over. The Sox are better off with a more-likely-to-be-healthy Thome who is also a much better clubhouse guy.

 

Randy Johnson looks like a shell of his former self. Fastball topping out at 93? Ouch. He's still effective, but he isn't going to dominate games anymore.

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 3, 2006 -> 10:06 PM)
Good God, you just reiterated what like a million other motherf***ers have said, word for word.  :puke

 

Are there a bunch of robots posting on soxtalk, or is it just me?

 

 

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QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 03:53 PM)
But his time in Chicago was over.  The Sox are better off with a more-likely-to-be-healthy Thome who is also a much better clubhouse guy.

 

Close, but no cigar. You forgot to slob on his knob. You have to end every Frank Thomas post with "But he's the greatest player in White Sox History and I'll always love him soooo much".

 

Otherwise, nice copy & paste job.

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 09:54 AM)
Close, but no cigar.  You forgot to slob on his knob.  You have to end every Frank Thomas post with "But he's the greatest player in White Sox History and I'll always love him soooo much". 

 

Otherwise, nice copy & paste job.

 

I'll leave the slobbing on knobs to you, since you enjoy it so much.

 

Otherwise, nice job of trolling. :booty

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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 4, 2006 -> 10:01 PM)
Have I told you lately how much your grammar sucks?  I also heard that you misspelled something last week.

 

And I heard that you actually managed to avoid insulting somebody in a post last week. Sounds like you're making progress! :wacko:

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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Mar 26, 2006 -> 08:23 PM)
You know, all things considered, I'd still take a Healthy Thome over a Healthy Thomas.

 

Sure, and I bet everyone here would have been saying this 5 years ago.

 

I was very happy to see frank get a homer his first at bat this season. I'm happy for him. On the other hand, I thought I saw a few grimaces after a few of those swings, who knows how long he'll last?

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QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 5, 2006 -> 03:30 PM)
And I heard that you actually managed to avoid insulting somebody in a post last week.  Sounds like you're making progress!  :wacko:

 

Hey, if the shoe fits...

 

HHJ is right. People (several, not all) regurgitate the same crap over and over and over and over. It gets tiring.

 

Thomas just turned around a Kyle Farnsworth fastball for a double off the wall, clearing the bases. Three RBIs for Big Hurt tonight ( :headbang ), and Oakland is about to take two of three from the Yankees.

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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 5, 2006 -> 11:12 PM)
Hey, if the shoe fits...

 

HHJ is right.  People (several, not all) regurgitate the same crap over and over and over and over.  It gets tiring.

 

Thomas just turned around a Kyle Farnsworth fastball for a double off the wall, clearing the bases.  Three RBIs for Big Hurt tonight ( :headbang ), and Oakland is about to take two of three from the Yankees.

I might have to strip you of your championship if you continue to cheer for the A's. :P

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Apr 6, 2006 -> 05:18 AM)
I might have to strip you of your championship if you continue to cheer for the A's. :P

 

I'm actually rooting for Thomas more than I'm rooting for the A's, but I do like the team they have their -- mainly their defense. In my mind, it's without a doubt the best in the majors. Payton (or Swisher) - Kotsay - Bradley as an OF (defensively speaking)? :drool

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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 5, 2006 -> 11:22 PM)
I'm actually rooting for Thomas more than I'm rooting for the A's, but I do like the team they have their -- mainly their defense.  In my mind, it's without a doubt the best in the majors.  Payton (or Swisher) - Kotsay - Bradley as an OF (defensively speaking)?  :drool

Ha, I'm just giving you s*** cause as you know I'm not the biggest A's fan. That being said, like I've said a few times here, I really do believe that on paper them and us are the two best teams in the majors.

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