KC sweeps Cleveland. Ouch.

I guess I was very wrong about Cleveland this year. They are not very good.

haha that's awesome.

Wow.

And the Indians pitching gets worse by the day.

 

Mota's ERA is up to 6.14 now, and Westbrook's 5.94.

 

Unless they improve that aspect, they're in serious trouble no matter how good their offense is.

I still think the Tribe will finish in 2nd, they'll get hot like the end of the season last year, but it will be too little too late. Once again the Wild Card will come from the East whether it's the Red Sox or Yankees.

Nice, Cleveland has officially fallen below .500 because of the Royals.

So far Jason looks pretty smart for doubting the Indians pitching.

 

Somehow I still think they will be around in this division, but maybe I am wrong.

Shouldn't this be merged into the AL Central thread?

LOL@the Indians

 

Last year it was the offense that sucked ass for the first two months. This year it's the pitching.

I would laugh at the Indians, but my team is way under .500

and got shutout by those Royals last week

Unless they replace Jason Johnson and Jake Westbrook gets back to his 2004 level, I can't see the Indians winning more than 90 games, and in this division the way that we are playing, I don't think that will be enough.

Unless they replace Jason Johnson and Jake Westbrook gets back to his 2004 level, I can't see the Indians winning more than 90 games, and in this division the way that we are playing, I don't think that will be enough.

Mediocre starting pitching + s***ty bullpen= not a contender. Unless they make over their whole pitching staff, they aren't going anywhere.

Mediocre starting pitching + s***ty bullpen= not a contender. Unless they make over their whole pitching staff, they aren't going anywhere.

Sabathia and Lee are their best SP's no doubt. Westbrook, Byrd and Johnson are all iffy right now.

 

It was ALWAYS going to be very hard for them to replace the output they got from Howry, Rhodes and Riske last season. Mota is really struggling, Cabrera's been injured, they're just a mess right now.

The Indians have enough offense to give us a race, but no way they beat us unless we suffer a ton of injuries, as their pitching staff just blows and has no depth at all. They have a few really good guys yes, but then a bunch of steaming poop.

So I guess any day now the Tigers are supposed to fade away like many of you have mentioned. I'm not seeing it.

DET up on CLE again...

So I guess any day now the Tigers are supposed to fade away like many of you have mentioned. I'm not seeing it.

Me neither. They have 5 legit starting pitchers, a solid bullpen, and a very strong hitting team. There's no reason to think they can't contend for the title all season.

Me neither. They have 5 legit starting pitchers, a solid bullpen, and a very strong hitting team. There's no reason to think they can't contend for the title all season.

 

Mike Maroth's career ERA is 4.72. This year, it's 2.55.

 

Nate Robertson's career ERA is 4.76. This year, it's 3.27.

 

Color me skeptical. These two won't be pitching on cloud nine forever...

Mike Maroth's career ERA is 4.72. This year, it's 2.55.

 

Nate Robertson's career ERA is 4.76. This year, it's 3.27.

 

Color me skeptical. These two won't be pitching on cloud nine forever...

Jose Contreras, Jon Garland. I'm sceptical too, but it's been done, and recently.

Jose Contreras, Jon Garland. I'm sceptical too, but it's been done, and recently.

 

You can't compare Jose to those situations. Everyone knew Jose has some of the best stuff in the league. Most of the problems were in his head. Once he "got right" and added the arm angles, there was no reason to think he couldn't be dominant past last year.

 

Jon Garland I could see.

Tigers win again, we lose tonight and we're in 2nd

You can't compare Jose to those situations. Everyone knew Jose has some of the best stuff in the league. Most of the problems were in his head. Once he "got right" and added the arm angles, there was no reason to think he couldn't be dominant past last year.

 

Jon Garland I could see.

Actually, I can. The others are young, Jose was adjusting to MLB. I don't see any problem.

 

I'm not a psychiatrist. All I see is whether they're getting the outs or not. I am proud to be part of a board where everyone is capable of reading the minutiae of a player's motivations from the break on his curveball, but, alas, I am not so gifted.

Actually, I can. The others are young, Jose was adjusting to MLB. I don't see any problem.

 

I'm not a psychiatrist. All I see is whether they're getting the outs or not. I am proud to be part of a board where everyone is capable of reading the minutiae of a player's motivations from the break on his curveball, but, alas, I am not so gifted.

 

Jose has said it for awhile. No psychiatry needed.

Jose has said it for awhile. No psychiatry needed.

Well, then it's definitive.

 

If it had been obvious that Jose was going to turn it around, there would have been no trade, nor any debate about the winner of the trade. So I have no problem putting him in with pitchers who defied the odds in a big way.