jphat007 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 KC sweeps Cleveland. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I guess I was very wrong about Cleveland this year. They are not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 haha that's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 And the Indians pitching gets worse by the day. Â Mota's ERA is up to 6.14 now, and Westbrook's 5.94. Â Unless they improve that aspect, they're in serious trouble no matter how good their offense is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I still think the Tribe will finish in 2nd, they'll get hot like the end of the season last year, but it will be too little too late. Once again the Wild Card will come from the East whether it's the Red Sox or Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Nice, Cleveland has officially fallen below .500 because of the Royals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 So far Jason looks pretty smart for doubting the Indians pitching. Â Somehow I still think they will be around in this division, but maybe I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Shouldn't this be merged into the AL Central thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 LOL@the Indians  Last year it was the offense that sucked ass for the first two months. This year it's the pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I would laugh at the Indians, but my team is way under .500 and got shutout by those Royals last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Unless they replace Jason Johnson and Jake Westbrook gets back to his 2004 level, I can't see the Indians winning more than 90 games, and in this division the way that we are playing, I don't think that will be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 10, 2006 -> 11:19 PM) Unless they replace Jason Johnson and Jake Westbrook gets back to his 2004 level, I can't see the Indians winning more than 90 games, and in this division the way that we are playing, I don't think that will be enough. Mediocre starting pitching + s***ty bullpen= not a contender. Unless they make over their whole pitching staff, they aren't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 11, 2006 -> 02:21 PM) Mediocre starting pitching + s***ty bullpen= not a contender. Unless they make over their whole pitching staff, they aren't going anywhere. Sabathia and Lee are their best SP's no doubt. Westbrook, Byrd and Johnson are all iffy right now. Â It was ALWAYS going to be very hard for them to replace the output they got from Howry, Rhodes and Riske last season. Mota is really struggling, Cabrera's been injured, they're just a mess right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 The Indians have enough offense to give us a race, but no way they beat us unless we suffer a ton of injuries, as their pitching staff just blows and has no depth at all. They have a few really good guys yes, but then a bunch of steaming poop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 So I guess any day now the Tigers are supposed to fade away like many of you have mentioned. I'm not seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 DET up on CLE again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 14, 2006 -> 04:57 PM) So I guess any day now the Tigers are supposed to fade away like many of you have mentioned. I'm not seeing it. Me neither. They have 5 legit starting pitchers, a solid bullpen, and a very strong hitting team. There's no reason to think they can't contend for the title all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ May 14, 2006 -> 08:01 PM) Me neither. They have 5 legit starting pitchers, a solid bullpen, and a very strong hitting team. There's no reason to think they can't contend for the title all season. Â Mike Maroth's career ERA is 4.72. This year, it's 2.55. Â Nate Robertson's career ERA is 4.76. This year, it's 3.27. Â Color me skeptical. These two won't be pitching on cloud nine forever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 14, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) Mike Maroth's career ERA is 4.72. This year, it's 2.55. Nate Robertson's career ERA is 4.76. This year, it's 3.27.  Color me skeptical. These two won't be pitching on cloud nine forever... Jose Contreras, Jon Garland. I'm sceptical too, but it's been done, and recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2006 -> 02:12 PM) Jose Contreras, Jon Garland. I'm sceptical too, but it's been done, and recently. Â You can't compare Jose to those situations. Everyone knew Jose has some of the best stuff in the league. Most of the problems were in his head. Once he "got right" and added the arm angles, there was no reason to think he couldn't be dominant past last year. Â Jon Garland I could see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Tigers win again, we lose tonight and we're in 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(jphat007 @ May 14, 2006 -> 04:32 PM) You can't compare Jose to those situations. Everyone knew Jose has some of the best stuff in the league. Most of the problems were in his head. Once he "got right" and added the arm angles, there was no reason to think he couldn't be dominant past last year. Jon Garland I could see. Actually, I can. The others are young, Jose was adjusting to MLB. I don't see any problem.  I'm not a psychiatrist. All I see is whether they're getting the outs or not. I am proud to be part of a board where everyone is capable of reading the minutiae of a player's motivations from the break on his curveball, but, alas, I am not so gifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ May 14, 2006 -> 03:00 PM) Actually, I can. The others are young, Jose was adjusting to MLB. I don't see any problem. I'm not a psychiatrist. All I see is whether they're getting the outs or not. I am proud to be part of a board where everyone is capable of reading the minutiae of a player's motivations from the break on his curveball, but, alas, I am not so gifted.  Jose has said it for awhile. No psychiatry needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 QUOTE(jphat007 @ May 14, 2006 -> 05:01 PM) Jose has said it for awhile. No psychiatry needed. Well, then it's definitive. Â If it had been obvious that Jose was going to turn it around, there would have been no trade, nor any debate about the winner of the trade. So I have no problem putting him in with pitchers who defied the odds in a big way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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