2007 Post ASB White Sox Catch-All Thread

[Whitewashed in '05]

Is there one Sox fan out there who thinks MacDougal should be on this team next year?

I'd do a poll, but I don't know how.

Get rid of that bum. Geez.

With his history and bullpens being so inconsistent from year to year I think they should hold onto him... hell whose going to replace him? Wheres Politte these days?!?

[Balta1701]

So how did Gavin actually look last night? At least pulled off a quality start according to the stats.

[NorthSideSox72]

So how did Gavin actually look last night? At least pulled off a quality start according to the stats.

I actually watched (first time a bit). He looked mostly pretty good. The throwing mistake was annoying to see, but he got past it, which is big for him. Overall, he did OK. I'd take that start every day of the week from our 5th starter.

 

[SoxAce]

If Gavin pitches on the road (4.00 era), and pitches during the day (0.00 era 10 IP 1 R 0 Er 9 SO), He is unbeatable. (2-0) There, I solved the mystery.

[Kalapse]

If he is non-tendered by the Padres would a Jim Thome/Morgan Ensberg 2008 platoon be an acceptable/plausible scenario? I'm thinking no since Morgan would probably be looking for a team that would offer him more than say 100-150 ABs next season.

 

Ensberg Vs Lefties:

             AVG   OBP   SLG  OPS

02: 32 PA,  .320  .469  .640 1.109

03: 119 PA, .316  .429  .592 1.021

04: 116 PA, .282  .351  .408  .759

05: 163 PA, .299  .411  .575  .986

06: 136 PA, .245  .463  .553 1.016

07: 107 PA, .260  .336  .479  .816

A 2006 Thome/Ensberg platoon would have theoretically put up a .303/.456/.702/1.159 collective line w/ 45 HR and a 114:104 BB:K ratio.

 

Kevin Mench maybe? Career .917 OPS vs lefties.

[witesoxfan]

If he is non-tendered by the Padres would a Jim Thome/Morgan Ensberg 2008 platoon be an acceptable/plausible scenario? I'm thinking no since Morgan would probably be looking for a team that would offer him more than say 100-150 ABs next season.

 

Ensberg Vs Lefties:

             AVG   OBP   SLG  OPS

02: 32 PA,  .320  .469  .640 1.109

03: 119 PA, .316  .429  .592 1.021

04: 116 PA, .282  .351  .408  .759

05: 163 PA, .299  .411  .575  .986

06: 136 PA, .245  .463  .553 1.016

07: 107 PA, .260  .336  .479  .816

A 2006 Thome/Ensberg platoon would have theoretically put up a .303/.456/.702/1.159 collective line w/ 45 HR and a 114:104 BB:K ratio.

 

Kevin Mench maybe? Career .917 OPS vs lefties.

 

I'd take Ensberg at 3B next season over Crede, but maybe that's just me.

[Balta1701]

Just what I'm sure we all wanted to hear...

Tag-team partner

St. Louis Cardinals free agent- to-be David Eckstein (above) is becoming target No. 1 on the Sox' offseason wish list. He would give them a leadoff hitter with a career .349 on-base percentage and a sure-handed shortstop. Plus, he and Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski worked together last offseason in a feud for TNA Wrestling. Team Eckstein won.

Oh sweet grinder!

Edited August 31, 2007 by Balta1701

[Rowand44]

Just what I'm sure we all wanted to hear...

 

Oh sweet grinder!

I'm not as opposed to Eckstein as a lot seem to be. I'd prefer him to be at 2b but I wont be too pissed if he's our ss next season.

[Balta1701]

I'm not as opposed to Eckstein as a lot seem to be. I'd prefer him to be at 2b but I wont be too pissed if he's our ss next season.

I just have this real feeling that he's going to wind up EXACTLY like Erstad...looked upon as a savior, more expected out of him than is realistic at his age, and he'll wind up just like he did this year; missing a good chunk of the season hurt and winding up being a weak spot with the glove.

[Kalapse]

It's all coming together.

 

Eckstein

Rowand

Thome

Konerko

Dye

Pierzynski

Fields

Richar

Crede

[Kalapse]

It's going to be so much fun watching Eckstein next year. He'll duplicate his 03/04/07 OBP (.230's), spend a month on the DL (Andy Gonzalez will kick ass at short in his stead!), he'll have absolutely no extra base hits (the guy can't even hit 20 doubles) and no stolen bases all while playing meh defense with the worst infield arm in the history of the game. YAHTZEE!

[Brian]

I think Eckstein is one of those players who you don't realize how good he is and what he does until he gets on your team and you watch him everyday. As long as it isn't Uribe, I'm fine with it.

[NorthSideSox72]

I'd prefer Furcal, but Eckstein would still be an enormous improvement from 2007.

 

[Kalapse]

I think Eckstein is one of those players who you don't realize how good he is and what he does until he gets on your team and you watch him everyday. As long as it isn't Uribe, I'm fine with it.

It's funny because I've seen about 80% of the Cardinals games over the past 3 seasons and I know for a fact that David Eckstein is f***ing horrible, injury prone and 33 years old.

[Brian]

It's funny because I've seen about 80% of the Cardinals games over the past 3 seasons and I know for a fact that David Eckstein is f***ing horrible, injury prone and 33 years old.

 

Wish I had as much free time as you do.

 

 

[Kalapse]

Wish I had as much free time as you do.

The man in your avatar has a strange effect on me, when he plays I must watch.

[Balta1701]

I'd prefer Furcal, but Eckstein would still be an enormous improvement from 2007.

With the bat...yes, he'd be a gigantic step forward, if he was healthy. However, this season, he's only played in 91 games...let's not forget that. And that was after only playing in 123 in 2006 (prior to the playoffs) so he missed some 40 games that season and probably 50-60 this season.

 

And on top of that...his defense is still a step back. If Crede came back at 100% and Richar performed well at SS that would help cover that somewhat, but still, we'd be sacrificing defense for offense. It's a good trade based on how abjectly awful Uribe has been, but it's still worth remembering that point.

[NorthSideSox72]

With the bat...yes, he'd be a gigantic step forward, if he was healthy. However, this season, he's only played in 91 games...let's not forget that. And that was after only playing in 123 in 2006 (prior to the playoffs) so he missed some 40 games that season and probably 50-60 this season.

 

And on top of that...his defense is still a step back. If Crede came back at 100% and Richar performed well at SS that would help cover that somewhat, but still, we'd be sacrificing defense for offense. It's a good trade based on how abjectly awful Uribe has been, but it's still worth remembering that point.

I haven't watched Eckstein play, I can only see his numbers. I am sure he (and most other SS's) would be a defensive step back from Uribe. I guess its a question of balance - how much D to give up, for how much O you get back.

 

And I don't think Richar is a real option at SS.

 

EDIT: I haven't seen Eckstein play very often.

 

[Balta1701]

I haven't watched Eckstein play, I can only see his numbers. I am sure he (and most other SS's) would be a defensive step back from Uribe. I guess its a question of balance - how much D to give up, for how much O you get back.

 

And I don't think Richar is a real option at SS.

 

EDIT: I haven't seen Eckstein play very often.

Ah blast, I meant Richar performed well at 2nd base, sorry.

 

Richar is not an option for SS and we should all remember that...that was a typo from me.

[Kalapse]

Why aren't the Cardinals even making an attempt to re-sign Eckstein? He was a member of the World Series team and is apparently a damn good leadoff man. They have no in house replacement, why are they letting him walk?

[Brian]

Why aren't the Cardinals even making an attempt to re-sign Eckstein? He was a member of the World Series team and is apparently a damn good leadoff man. They have no in house replacement, why are they letting him walk?

 

 

It's funny because I've seen about 80% of the Cardinals games over the past 3 seasons and I know for a fact that David Eckstein is f***ing horrible, injury prone and 33 years old.

 

[Kalapse]

That's kind of the point, if he's not good enough for the Cardinals -- who have one of the worst offenses in baseball and no middle infield prospects -- why is he good enough for the Sox?

 

And if I am right about him and the Cardinals feel the same way, why is he the White Sox's main target this offseason?

[Kalapse]

The most important standings at this point:

                L       W        WIN%     GB

Tampa Bay	80	54	.403      --

Chicago Sox	77	57	.425      3

Florida	        76	58	.433      4

Washington	76	58	.433      4

Houston	        74	60	.448      6

Pittsburgh	74	59	.444      5.5

Baltimore	74	58	.439      5

San Francisco	73	61	.455      7

Kansas City	73	59	.447      6

Cincinnati	72	62	.463      8

Texas	        72	61	.459	  7.5

[greg775]

The most important standings at this point:

 

L W WIN% GB

Tampa Bay 80 54 .403 --

Chicago Sox 77 57 .425 3

Florida 76 58 .433 4

Washington 76 58 .433 4

Houston 74 60 .448 6

Pittsburgh 74 59 .444 5.5

Baltimore 74 58 .439 5

San Francisco 73 61 .455 7

Kansas City 73 59 .447 6

Cincinnati 72 62 .463 8

Texas 72 61 .459 7.5

 

I don't mean to be a jerk, but why are these the most important standings at this point? Do people actually agree with Kalapse on this?

Have you no pride in the White Sox?

Do you actually think getting the top draft pick will help the team significantly compared to what ever first round pick we get?

My god.

Edited August 31, 2007 by greg775

[fathom]

I don't mean to be a jerk, but why are these the most important standings at this point? Do people actually agree with Kalapse on this?

Have you no pride in the White Sox?

Do you actually think getting the top draft pick will help the team significantly compared to what ever first round pick we get?

My god.

 

I absolutely agree with Kalapse. It's comical to see how little value people put into having a top 3 pick. More often than not, those players end up being significant contributors in the majors.