Jimmywins1 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Is that Rotoworld saying we won a trade?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:44 PM) horrendous Worse than Fields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I would have taken Bailey for Dye in a 1 to 1 last season, not so sure this season. And I dont think this is a done deal right now. Just a hunch. But I wouldnt be surprised to see us give the Reds cash and also get another low spect or someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:46 PM) Worse than Fields? Makes Fields look above average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:45 PM) Is that Rotoworld saying we won a trade?!?! not necessarily....just as both teams can "win" a trade (tip of the cap to adam smith) both teams can also "lose" a trade....rotoworld i think is just saying Dye makes 0 sense for the reds because htey only have him for 1 year and still won't likely contend during that year, so why even give up on bailey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:45 PM) Is that Rotoworld saying we won a trade?!?! That was my reaction, and why I can't imagine this one is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) Even though I'd have to say this is some of the best baseball conversation we've had on this board, everything said in this could be mute if OC doesn't decline within the next 150 minutes. Well, if the Sox get stuck paying OC this year, wouldn't that make it even more likely that this trade (Dye for a cheap young pitcher) goes through? I guess it would make it a little less likely KW tries to fill the OF or LOH slots with an expensive FA though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 i highly doubt the rumors of encarnacion (not that they are even rumors) but if he was in the deal...we'd certainly be getting a guy who just isn't a clutch hitter...just ask jeff brantley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:48 AM) Well, if the Sox get stuck paying OC this year, wouldn't that make it even more likely that this trade (Dye for a cheap young pitcher) goes through? I guess it would make it a little less likely KW tries to fill the OF or LOH slots with an expensive FA though. Exactly, I think some of us are excited by the possibilities this opens up. I don't think anyone is excited about the 10 million dollar addition being OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 The one flaw in KW's moves is our defense: Swapping Ramirez for Cabrera probably isn't an improvement Lillibridge at 2B might be better than Ramirez, but Alexei was pretty solid, especially the first 3-4 months before he wore down RF should improve if Quentin's there 3B definitely will be going downhill compared to Crede/Uribe LF could be a mess... That's not a great way to build the confidence of a young pitching staff! Something has to be done to shore up the middle of the field...Furcal at SS, Alexei back at 2B and Taveras/Lillibridge/Anderson in CF would make me feel a quite a bit more confident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:46 PM) I would have taken Bailey for Dye in a 1 to 1 last season, not so sure this season. And I dont think this is a done deal right now. Just a hunch. But I wouldnt be surprised to see us give the Reds cash and also get another low spect or someone else. Rock Raines, who is the girl in your avatar? It looks like a cross between Rachael Leigh Cook and Alyssa Milano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:50 PM) The one flaw in KW's moves is our defense: Swapping Ramirez for Cabrera probably isn't an improvement Lillibridge at 2B might be better than Ramirez, but Alexei was pretty solid, especially the first 3-4 months before he wore down RF should improve if Quentin's there 3B definitely will be going downhill compared to Crede/Uribe LF could be a mess... That's not a great way to build the confidence of a young pitching staff! Something has to be done to shore up the middle of the field...Furcal at SS, Alexei back at 2B and Taveras/Lillibridge/Anderson in CF would make me feel a quite a bit more confident. If this goes through I don't think KW is particuarly worried with next year no matter what. I think he's willing to take a hit in a down economy of a terrible year to contend in 2010 on Edited December 8, 2008 by jphat007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Shot down. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7672373.story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:46 AM) Worse than Fields? Rally's fielding projections has Encarnacion as a -14 for next year and Fields as a -9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Shot down. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7672373.story That was quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Shot down. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7672373.story I dont agree. I think it confirms that the Sox are getting one more player besides Bailey and that the Sox are picking up some of Dye's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Shot down. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7672373.story What is going on here? Not sure if I should be happy or sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Well, I'm not sure how I feel now after a couple of hours speculating about our future with Bailey. Everyone need not worry, apparently KW wasn't going to do a 1-for-1...we wanted something else back, and Cincy wanted some of our diminishing by the minute money to subsidize JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:52 PM) Shot down. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7672373.story doesnt have to do with this trade....but what the hell is so special about Parnell that the sox would want him, and that the mets wouldn't want to give him up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) My totally inaccurate and spur-of-the-moment Sox starting lineup for 2009 is: 1- Furcal SS 2- Ramirez 2B 3- Quentin LF 4- Thome DH 5- Konerko 1B 6- Abreu RF 7- Fields 3B 8- AJP C 9- Taveras CF I would flip Abreu and Ramirez in that lineup -- and probably AJ and Fields as well. That lineup looks pretty good to me. If the pitching comes through, that lineup is a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:55 AM) I dont agree. I think it confirms that the Sox are getting one more player besides Bailey and that the Sox are picking up some of Dye's contract. Yep, what do people expect to actually read in an article like this. KW might have quickly responded to this due to his negotiations with other parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Rumor has it the Braves were interested in Dye too. I'm going to pull a Krusty and propose that the Reds turn around and trade Dye for Escobar. I'd do it in a second. Ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 1 of my top 3 favorite White Sox of all-time. ^^^ Probably our best player over the past 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 Renteria to SF was a done deal, then it wasn't, then it happened. Probably the same here with some tweaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 i believe be lower prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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