bighurt4life Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:33 PM) Would they make the Homer Simpson "Doh" noise every time Bailey struck someone out at the Cell? we can only hope Edited December 8, 2008 by bighurt4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:47 PM) I wonder if we will be hearing about a signing of Abreu or someone like that now that Dye is traded?? Why do people think we will backfill payroll. Thats not what is happening here. We are getting much younger and cheaper and plan to have a good team in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 10:36 PM) we can only hope Hopefully we can hear it a good 3000 times or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 Maybe this trade happening is contingent on some other things being done first, hence the denials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:36 PM) Why do people think we will backfill payroll. Thats not what is happening here. We are getting much younger and cheaper and plan to have a good team in 2010. I think that it's a tough sell for the fans if you cut payroll by about 30 mil AND increase season ticket prices 11% while hurting your team's chances of competing in 2009. I think that they'd have to at least spend some of the savings just as a show of good faith to the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 That Reds denial is weaker than denying to your wife that you were watching Cinemax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) Maybe this trade happening is contingent on some other things being done first, hence the denials. It seems like something in that vein. I found the Reds denial of "We haven't talked to the White Sox since we've arrived in Las Vegas" particularly unimpressive.... Edited December 8, 2008 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) It seems like something in that vein. I found the Reds denial of "We haven't talked to the White Sox since we've arrived in Las Vegas" particularly unimpressive.... Yeah, when did they get there, an hour ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) Just a terrible, gross trade. The rumors about the Sox having huge financial issues are becoming more accurate by the day. fathom we will not be back filling payroll, we are totally rebuilding, cutting payroll. The Sox are a blue collar team, and the economy right now is not great for a blue collar crowd. Look for 2010. In the meantime we are trying to pick up some higher end players that are suppose to be ready. This trade though needs more from cinci even though Homer Bailey was arguably one of the best pitching Prospects in 2005 and 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Jocketty is denying this now, doesn't sound like anything is close at all. http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/...ailey_rumo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:43 PM) Jocketty is denying this now, doesn't sound like anything is close at all. http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/...ailey_rumo.html Well, that, I might have to believe.... Still, there is something to this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) Maybe this trade happening is contingent on some other things being done first, hence the denials. This sounds about right to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 why do people still go on saying 2B is a hole? My god, you'd think Getz, Lillibridge, and Nix weren't on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) That Reds denial is weaker than denying to your wife that you were watching Cinemax. I'm kind of a Moremax man, myself. Coming up next: "Co-Ed Confidential" We now return to your nightly Jermaine Dye rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 why do people still go on saying 2B is a hole? My god, you'd think Getz, Lillibridge, and Nix weren't on the team. quality over quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:50 PM) quality over quantity. I think Lillibridge and Getz are both pretty decent options at 2B, not to mention Betemit could play 2B in a sinch if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:38 PM) I think that it's a tough sell for the fans if you cut payroll by about 30 mil AND increase season ticket prices 11% while hurting your team's chances of competing in 2009. I think that they'd have to at least spend some of the savings just as a show of good faith to the fans. leaving ticket prices the same doesn't mean more fans will come. I would argue that those fringe fans (moneywise) would not be renewing anyway this year with the economy the way it is. I also think that casual baseball fans will not be showing up as walk ups like usual.I think the sox know this already. In addition they are old and slow. Its the perfect time to dump high priced players for some young talent and again plan for an infused team after the economic crisis eases (2010) Personally the only thing I don't like about this trade is the return. I don't think its enough. If Freel was involved at least you have a leadoff hitter. Freel and Bailey would be my choice. By the way - Tampa's payroll - Low - they were right there, Twins payroll much lower than ours- They were just as good as us. Marlins always have a low payroll - they are always competitive. In these times build a new nucleus of players. I know many here are young, I saw my parents struggle in Viet Nam times, I saw 16 percent inflation in the late seventies, and cars lined up for gas at pumps that didn't have gas, but let me say what is happening now (just starting) will far outweigh anything anyone on this board will see for along time. I think the sox know this, and they know the tendency of there fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) fathom we will not be back filling payroll, we are totally rebuilding, cutting payroll. The Sox are a blue collar team, and the economy right now is not great for a blue collar crowd. Look for 2010. In the meantime we are trying to pick up some higher end players that are suppose to be ready. This trade though needs more from cinci even though Homer Bailey was arguably one of the best pitching Prospects in 2005 and 2006. How do you know this? Do you have sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 07:53 PM) leaving ticket prices the same doesn't mean more fans will come. I would argue that those fringe fans (moneywise) would not be renewing anyway this year with the economy the way it is. I also think that casual baseball fans will not be showing up as walk ups like usual.I think the sox know this already. In addition they are old and slow. Its the perfect time to dump high priced players for some young talent and again plan for an infused team after the economic crisis eases (2010) Personally the only thing I don't like about this trade is the return. I don't think its enough. If Freel was involved at least you have a leadoff hitter. Freel and Bailey would be my choice. By the way - Tampa's payroll - Low - they were right there, Twins payroll much lower than ours- They were just as good as us. Marlins always have a low payroll - they are always competitive. In these times build a new nucleus of players. I know many here are young, I saw my parents struggle in Viet Nam times, I saw 16 percent inflation in the late seventies, and cars lined up for gas at pumps that didn't have gas, but let me say what is happening now (just starting) will far outweigh anything anyone on this board will see for along time. I think the sox know this, and they know the tendency of there fan base. i'm not saying that you have to spend big to win, the yanks have shown this to us numerous times. I'm just saying that jacking up ticket prices and cutting salary significantly is a tough sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:50 AM) I'm kind of a Moremax man, myself. Coming up next: "Co-Ed Confidential" We now return to your nightly Jermaine Dye rumor. The greatest show in TV history! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:51 AM) I think Lillibridge and Getz are both pretty decent options at 2B, not to mention Betemit could play 2B in a sinch if need be. Nothing about Lillibridge's performance in 2008 makes him a viable option to start at 2B with the White Sox in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Eh, Lillibridge has bounce back potential, he was pretty highly thought of before '08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:10 PM) T minus how many hours before Broadway is traded for WT personally I think that would be great, if freel is not in this deal. Broadway is terrible. Isn't taveras represented by boras? if so it will be a short stay here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:49 PM) why do people still go on saying 2B is a hole? My god, you'd think Getz, Lillibridge, and Nix weren't on the team. I agree. Getz will be fine. Beats overpaying for a more experienced 2b Lillibridge will be no worse than a very good utility player. 2B is not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:59 PM) Eh, Lillibridge has bounce back potential, he was pretty highly thought of before '08. And so was Bailey before like 2007. So why does everyone hate this trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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