ND football hasn't been special in probably 20 years.

Doesnt mean they are arrogant and want all the attention they currently get and may not get if they actually go to a conference.

A&M is staying.

 

Looks like the Big 12 will live.

The Big 12 now HAS to look at expansion to get back to 12, even if they don't actually add. Have to look at BYU, Utah (even though they might very well be gone), Air Force, Arkansas, Memphis and Louisville.

Why is that the case? It's not TV revenues they want to protect, its merchandising. Right now ND owns all the rights to their merchandising without having to share it with a conference. Thats a ton of $$$$

 

You can't convince me that ND is making so much more merchandising revenue that it would cover the difference in TV revenue. Big Ten teams split $22 million last year. The NBC contract was reportedly $8 million. Add in bowl revenue and merchandising (though I do not think Big Ten merchandising is included in the $22 mil figure) and you still aren't there.

 

Notre Dame is not joining the Big Ten right now for one reason and one reason only. It's ego. They have a big enough endowment that the added revenue from the Big Ten, while nice, isn't a necessity. At least not more so than their own perception of their worth as an independent.

ND stays independent in football because they like the ability to have a flexible schedule and to schedule who they want - and when.

ND isn't joining the Big 10 because they know it would be almost impossible for them to make a BCS game. The set up right now makes it so much more likely for them to make a BCS game, even with a fairly average season.

10 team Big 12. Play every team once in football. Home and home's in basketball. Stronger basketball conference now.

Stronger basketball conference now.

Which also means Iowa State will have no competition for last place now.

Which also means Iowa State will have no competition for last place now.

 

Don't forget that we are now rid of Greg McDermott. Hope lives.

They just need to rename the new Big 12 to "The Texas Longhorns and 9 other teams that bow to them" Conference

pretty much. But that's what happens when you have a market that completely dominates the rest. However, we made out pretty money-wise. But, in 5 years I expect the big 12 to be gone again. This isn't a solid relationship.

 

However, losing Nebraska and CU for basketball, good riddance. For football 1/2.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pac-10 tried to pick up Utah to even out their conference at 12 teams. Either way I'm sure they cant be happy from almost landing UT, OU, etc., to just adding powerhouse Colorado.

So the Big 12 has ten teams and the Big 10 has 12 teams.

 

TCU might be the big winners in all this now.

Thankfully Tech might blow this up afterall. Texas, OU, and A&M not only get 20M a year, but they are the only schools in the conference that will get the money from Nebraska and Colorado leaving. It's hilarious.

You can't convince me that ND is making so much more merchandising revenue that it would cover the difference in TV revenue. Big Ten teams split $22 million last year. The NBC contract was reportedly $8 million. Add in bowl revenue and merchandising (though I do not think Big Ten merchandising is included in the $22 mil figure) and you still aren't there.

 

Notre Dame is not joining the Big Ten right now for one reason and one reason only. It's ego. They have a big enough endowment that the added revenue from the Big Ten, while nice, isn't a necessity. At least not more so than their own perception of their worth as an independent.

I was told ND gets 26 million dollars annually in merchandising because of owning their rights and not splitting the money.

Cleveland Plain Dealer's suggestion on splitting the Big Ten (12) into two divisions:

 

Big Ten Black

 

Ohio State, 102-25 (.803) -- 230-74-5 (.752)

Michigan, 81-43 (.653) -- 222-80-5 (.731)

Wisconsin, 86-43 (.667) -- 170-129-4 (.568)

Michigan State, 60-62 (.492) -- 153-141-4 (.520)

Purdue, 67-57 (.540) -- 133-156-4 (.461)

Indiana, 39-78 (.333) -- 118-167-3 (.415)

 

Totals 435-308 (.585) -- 1026-747-25 (.578)

 

Big Ten Blue

 

Nebraska, 84-44 (.656) -- 242-71-1 (.772)

Penn State, 77-46 (.626) --218-86-1 (.716)

Iowa, 80-45 (.640) -- 182-116-5 (.609)

Minnesota, 62-62 (.500) -- 129-162-2 (.444)

Illinois, 45-73 (.381) -- 124-162-5 (.435)

Northwestern, 61-61 (.500) -- 116-172-3 (.404)

 

Totals 409-331 (.553) -- 1011-769-17 (.567)

 

IMO, the "Black" division is a much harder road. But its as even as possible.

Edited June 15, 201015 yr by RockRaines

Cleveland Plain Dealer's suggestion on splitting the Big Ten (12) into two divisions:

 

 

 

IMO, the "Black" division is a much harder road. But its as even as possible.

If that were to happen, I would hope Minnesota and Wisconsin would be in the same division, considering it's the oldest rivalry in college sports.

The Big 12 now HAS to look at expansion to get back to 12, even if they don't actually add. Have to look at BYU, Utah (even though they might very well be gone), Air Force, Arkansas, Memphis and Louisville.

I'd add TCU to that list, and maybe New Mexico.

 

If that were to happen, I would hope Minnesota and Wisconsin would be in the same division, considering it's the oldest rivalry in college sports.

How so?

 

Michigan vs Notre Dame 1887

Cincy v Miami 1888

Army v Navy 1890

Minny v Wisco 1890

 

And thats just D1.

 

In all of college football:

 

Harvard v Yale 1875

Lafayette v Lehigh 1884

Amherst v Williams 1884

DePauw v Wabash 1890

 

I believe its one of the most played, but certainly not the oldest.

I'd add TCU to that list, and maybe New Mexico.

 

Among the other hilarious parts of the press conference, Beebe stated that the Big 12(10) will not be adding 2 teams in current plans.

 

He also said the TV deal proposed had no backing yet, and that the current TV deal runs through 2015.

 

Texas Tech is exploring other options and now Okie State has joined in.

How so?

 

Michigan vs Notre Dame 1887

Cincy v Miami 1888

Army v Navy 1890

Minny v Wisco 1890

 

And thats just D1.

 

In all of college football:

 

Harvard v Yale 1875

Lafayette v Lehigh 1884

Amherst v Williams 1884

DePauw v Wabash 1890

 

I believe its one of the most played, but certainly not the oldest.

Sorry, I must have confused oldest with most played. That being said, here's what Wikipedia says about Paul Bunyan's Axe:

The trophy is a symbol of one of the most storied rivalries in college football, representing the oldest and most-played rivalry in Division I-A football, with 119 editions dating back to 1890

 

Of course, it's certainly possible that it's wrong, but really, that's just semantics. You can't split the two teams up into two different Big 10 divisions.. it makes no sense whatsoever.

Sorry, I must have confused oldest with most played. That being said, here's what Wikipedia says about Paul Bunyan's Axe:

 

 

Of course, it's certainly possible that it's wrong, but really, that's just semantics. You can't split the two teams up into two different Big 10 divisions.. it makes no sense whatsoever.

Best option that I see is switching Wisconsin with Penn State, but that makes Black even tougher IMO.

I think it may be that Minnesota/Wisconsin have played the most times in a row? I know its something because people always bring it up.

 

The division would be great because Wisconsin would play OSU and Michigan every year. It may also be slightly more difficult, but any division that has OSU in it will be the more difficult one. They could have a rivalry game against Minnesota, where they play them every year, its not that difficult to make work.

 

The division would be bad because itd be slightly harder in football. It also would not work for basketball, Purdue, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Michigan state in the same division? Thats pretty rough haha.

 

 

I think it may be that Minnesota/Wisconsin have played the most times in a row? I know its something because people always bring it up.

 

The division would be great because Wisconsin would play OSU and Michigan every year. It may also be slightly more difficult, but any division that has OSU in it will be the more difficult one. They could have a rivalry game against Minnesota, where they play them every year, its not that difficult to make work.

 

The division would be bad because itd be slightly harder in football. It also would not work for basketball, Purdue, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Michigan state in the same division? Thats pretty rough haha.

I only knew it wasnt th oldest because I lost money on a bet regarding this. I think its the longest continuous running one or something like that.

 

 

Bball has to be taken into effect when splitting up the conference. Football is one thing, but the bball divisions have a chance to be REAL rough.

Imagine if ND joined the big ten youd have to put them in that division as well so they could continue playing Michigan.