ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 f*** you Keith Law. Jared Mitchell #55, Tyler Flowers #60, Daniel Hudson #66. 30th ranked farm system my ass. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prosp...010/269546.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Starlin Castro ahead of some of those guys is hilarious to me. The Cubs hype machine is in full gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Interesting how far Fernando Martinez has fallen too. I called that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Its Keith Law, he really does seem to dislike the Sox, or just not understand them, for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Got the Baseball America Prospect Guide in the mail today, the top 30 for the White Sox is... Jared Mitchell Tyler Flowers Daniel Hudson Brent Morel Jordan Danks Trayce Thompson Dayan Viciedo David Holmberg Clevelan Santeliz Miguel Gonzalez Josh Phegley John Ely * Sergio Santos Stefan Gartrell C.J. Retherford Carlos Torres Lucas Harrell Santos Rodriguez Eduardo Escobar Nevin Griffith Christian Marrero Jhonny Nunez Dan Remenowsky Kyle Bellamy John Shelby III Nathan Jones Charlie Leesman Jon Link * Jose Martinez Justin Collop Brandon Allen is listed as number 4 for Arizona, Aaron Poreda is number 10 and Dexter Carter is number 28 for San Diego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It's still crazy to me that Morel has jumped so much higher than Viciedo on some lists. I just don't see it, Dayan is still a much better prospect than Brent imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 kinda disappointed how low nunez is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) Got the Baseball America Prospect Guide in the mail today... Brandon Allen is listed as number 4 for Arizona, Aaron Poreda is number 10 and Dexter Carter is number 28 for San Diego. And Chris Carter is listed as #1 for the A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Shelby is the one who really strikes me as having fallen off the map. He wasn't horrible last year, but he's not exactly a youngster anymore, either...and he's never seemed to have found one position on the diamond. I guess there's an outside possibility he makes it as a super-utility guy like a Willie Harris that can play multiple positions and pinch run. CJ Retherford has gotten about as much discussion as anyone in our system, but it's pretty clear the scouts don't see him as much of a prospect. Rodriguez, Escobar and Griffith have a lot of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Way too much emphasis gets put on to numbers in the minor league system. There, I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 06:33 PM) 1. Shelby is the one who really strikes me as having fallen off the map. He wasn't horrible last year, but he's not exactly a youngster anymore, either...and he's never seemed to have found one position on the diamond. I guess there's an outside possibility he makes it as a super-utility guy like a Willie Harris that can play multiple positions and pinch run. 2. CJ Retherford has gotten about as much discussion as anyone in our system, but it's pretty clear the scouts don't see him as much of a prospect. 1. Shelby had a rough year. But he's still only 24... and probably will be in AAA this year. Regarding his positions... he's an outfielder... it's the only thing he's played the last two years... splitting time between CF and LF. And he has alot more pop in his bat than Willie Harris ever dreamed of. 2. Retherford is never going to make any major prospect lists... because he was undrafted.... he's short... doesn't have a classic ballplayer type body... he didn't really have a position in college... he was hurt most of his senior year. It's sort of like the perfect storm of factors leading to 'no-respect'. But that doesn't mean he lacks talent. His play at all levels of the minors seems to illustrate that there's something there. Obviously he's made a good impression on some people. Now, he's in the major league training camp playing for a shot at a major league roster. So who knows? Edited February 24, 2010 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) Way too much emphasis gets put on to numbers in the minor league system. There, I said it. Dan Hudson is a pretty good counterexample to this, though. He was one of the best statistical pitchers if not the best (I'm not sure where to check my facts here), and yet he seems to get almost no love at all in these lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I think we're the one place that still puts Viciedo over Morel at this point. Also, I'd like to see Shelby succeed, since I think he still can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 10:23 PM) I think we're the one place that still puts Viciedo over Morel at this point. Baseball Prospects and Diamond Futures also have Viciedo higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 05:14 PM) Its Keith Law, he really does seem to dislike the Sox, or just not understand them, for whatever reason. He hates the Sox but kisses Cub ass fulltime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I like the list. Glad to see my boy Trayce Thompson getting some love though I'm shocked Clevelan Santeliz is that high on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I think its noteworthy that there are two NDFA's in the Top 30 list there. How many teams can say that? And is that a reflection of really good post-draft scouting, or an indication of how weak our system is? I'm guessing some of each. QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 11:32 PM) I like the list. Glad to see my boy Trayce Thompson getting some love though I'm shocked Clevelan Santeliz is that high on the list. The Sox as an org are high on him as well, that's the impression I've gotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 04:01 PM) kinda disappointed how low nunez is. Same here....and Bellamy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 04:53 PM) It's still crazy to me that Morel has jumped so much higher than Viciedo on some lists. I just don't see it, Dayan is still a much better prospect than Brent imo. I still like Morel from what I've seen. He has a better more mature approach at the plate than Viciedo and will be a better overall on defense as well. The only thing I think Viciedo does better than Morel is power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Feb 23, 2010 -> 05:33 PM) And Chris Carter is listed as #1 for the A's. Missed that one, thanks for correcting me Patrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 24, 2010 -> 01:19 PM) I still like Morel from what I've seen. He has a better more mature approach at the plate than Viciedo and will be a better overall on defense as well. The only thing I think Viciedo does better than Morel is power. Morel should have a more mature approach at the plate, he's 2 years older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (danman31 @ Feb 24, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) Morel should have a more mature approach at the plate, he's 2 years older. Maturity of chronologic age and approach at the plate don't necessarily go together. However, he is older and should be more advanced and I think he is. (I'm trying to deadpan the dig because it was a good one ) Edited February 25, 2010 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockMe Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Tyler Flowers will move up that list so fast! It is good to see Mitchell so high up there. Last year was his first year in the minors and it sounds like he is making noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 24, 2010 -> 07:36 PM) Maturity of chronologic age and approach at the plate don't necessarily go together. However, he is older and should be more advanced and I think he is. (I'm trying to deadpan the dig because it was a good one ) You're right though. Morel does seem to be more polished, but I think people need a better perspective on Viciedo though. It's hard to compare them because Viciedo was playing at a higher level while being 2 years younger. The AFL would have been a great opportunity to see how far Viciedo has come and it just turned into a showcase for Morel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 24, 2010 -> 09:05 AM) I think its noteworthy that there are two NDFA's in the Top 30 list there. How many teams can say that? And is that a reflection of really good post-draft scouting, or an indication of how weak our system is? I'm guessing some of each. The Sox as an org are high on him as well, that's the impression I've gotten. I think it's more of the former. Let's face it, Remenowsky's numbers were out of this world, he would be on many team's top 30 list with those numbers. C.J. same thing, look at the extra base hits, versatility, he would likely be lower in some farm systems, but still top 30 nonetheless. I do think our system is weak, but I think even in a strong system both guys would get the love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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