Heads22 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Can't work up the enthusiasm to see Taking Back Sunday in Des Moines. Their new album is just far too meh for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 10:38 PM) I can't speak to any modern incarnations of pop punk, but it was a powerhouse genre that followed right on the heels of the original punk movement (which really was never as far removed from pop as the original punks wanted to think it was). Buzzcocks were total pop punk and they were very relevant and worth paying attention to. And xtc in particular — one of my all-time favorites — began as a loud, shrill, but strangely fun pop punk band. This was also what I wanted to say, but kudos to you for saying it in a much less douchey way than I managed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 QUOTE (farmteam @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 11:54 PM) This was also what I wanted to say, but kudos to you for saying it in a much less douchey way than I managed to. I just read your post. Douchey perhaps, but very well-informed. On this side of the Atlantic, the Ramones are the quintessential example of "punks" that never got very far away from pop at all. And bless 'em for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 11:08 PM) I just read your post. Douchey perhaps, but very well-informed. On this side of the Atlantic, the Ramones are the quintessential example of "punks" that never got very far away from pop at all. And bless 'em for it. Definitely -- the Ramones certainly had pop sensibilities. The snarky tone was because I just wrote a huge term paper on a closely related subject last spring (but that was more about the political ideologies, or lackthereof, of different eras/types of musicians -- specifically blues, folk/counterculture, and punk), so those quotes I pulled were from books I read for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 QUOTE (farmteam @ Oct 21, 2011 -> 12:31 AM) Definitely -- the Ramones certainly had pop sensibilities. The snarky tone was because I just wrote a huge term paper on a closely related subject last spring (but that was more about the political ideologies, or lackthereof, of different eras/types of musicians -- specifically blues, folk/counterculture, and punk), so those quotes I pulled were from books I read for that. douche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 the pop punk of the 00s is more accurately described as a suburbanite's self-vindication thru song that being a white suburbanite is the hardest thing on earth. I stayed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) I saw Cameron Crowe's "Pearl Jam Twenty" documentary last night on Channel 11. Liked it. Learned stuff. Edited October 22, 2011 by PlaySumFnJurny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) I saw Cameron Crowe's "Pearl Jam Twenty" documentary last night on Channel 11. Liked it. Learned stuff. Yes, very glad I spent the time to watch that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 yeah it was really good, pick up the book too if you get a chance, a lot of great stuff in there. I don't know if this is true or not but the blu-ray has 4 hrs of un-seen footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 in general, the documentary form I feel is really taking off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Lupe Fiasco mixtape comes out on Thanksgiving. I'm pretty pumped, but the first song off the mixtape is another political song. I'm not always a fan of his political songs, it's somewhat uncomfortable to listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 As a rule, we're always supposed to applaud the collapse of the record industry. We are supposed to feel good about the democratization of music and the limitless palette upon which artists can now operate. But that collapse is why Lulu exists. If we still lived in the radio prison of 1992, do you think Metallica would purposefully release an album that no one wants? No way. Cliff Burnstein from Q Prime Management would listen to their various ideas, stroke his white beard, and deliver the following 45-second pep talk: "OK, great. Love these concepts. Your allusion to Basquiat's middle period was very apt, Lars. Incisive! But here's our situation. If you guys spend two months writing superfast Diamond Head songs about nuclear winter and shape-shifting, we can earn $752 million in 18 months, plus merchandizing. That's option A. The alternative is that you can make a ponderous, quasi-ironic art record about 'the lexicon of hate' that will outrage the Village Voice and mildly impress Laurie Anderson. Your call." Chuck Klosterman on the travesty that is the Lou Reed / Metallica album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) Chuck Klosterman on the travesty that is the Lou Reed / Metallica album. You cut short a pretty important line that sinks his whole argument, imo: But if the fundamental goal of Metallica is to make good music, it seems like trying to get rich while doing so dramatically improves their creative process Monetary success and high-quality are not linked in any way, shape or form in the music industry. To paraphrase the article: "But we don't live in a vacuum. We live on Earth. And that means we have to accept the real-life consequences of a culture in which recorded music is primarily about profits for record companies, and one of those consequences is [Hanson/Britney Spears/Beiber etc.]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 26, 2011 -> 05:38 PM) You cut short a pretty important line that sinks his whole argument, imo: Monetary success and high-quality are not linked in any way, shape or form in the music industry. To paraphrase the article: "But we don't live in a vacuum. We live on Earth. And that means we have to accept the real-life consequences of a culture in which recorded music is primarily about profits for record companies, and one of those consequences is [Hanson/Britney Spears/Beiber etc.]. Dramatically improves their creative process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 well I don't think it's particularly clear if he's talking only about Metallica in that paragraph or the larger music industry in general and is using Metallica is an example. It also ignores that Metallica produced garbage albums pre-industry collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 But if the fundamental goal of Metallica is to make good music, it seems like trying to get rich while doing so dramatically improves their creative process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 26, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) well I don't think it's particularly clear if he's talking only about Metallica in that paragraph or the larger music industry in general and is using Metallica is an example. It also ignores that Metallica produced garbage albums pre-industry collapse. He was absolutely talking about Metallica, and just Metallica, in that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 26, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) Dramatically improves their creative process But they produced crappy albums when they were just trying to cash in. So it's not even correlation, let alone causation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Aaaaand here's History of Rap, Part 3 from Fallon and Timberlake. I'm about to run so I can't watch it now, but considering the awesomeness of the first two, I have high hopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Britney Spears needs to cover up her fatness in concert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Roger Waters is bringing "The Wall" tour to Wrigley next June 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Anyone else listened to the new Coldplay album? Certainly not as good as some of their past work, Don't Let It Break Your Heart is one of their catchiest tunes they've done in a while though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 4, 2011 -> 03:05 AM) Anyone else listened to the new Coldplay album? Certainly not as good as some of their past work, Don't Let It Break Your Heart is one of their catchiest tunes they've done in a while though. I have not heard it yet. I have been so out of touch with music nowadays...... and every thing else I once loved. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 4, 2011 -> 03:05 AM) Anyone else listened to the new Coldplay album? Certainly not as good as some of their past work, Don't Let It Break Your Heart is one of their catchiest tunes they've done in a while though. I was listening to it online last night. Strange combo of them w/Rihanna, too. All in all, pretty decent album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:47 PM) Britney Spears needs to cover up her fatness in concert. Ain't gonna lie...I'd still hit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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