If Verlander manages to get these next 3 outs, does it take the sting out of being no-hit?

Verlander had unreal stuff today. I'm not sure how anyone hits him sometimes.

Verlander had unreal stuff today. I'm not sure how anyone hits him sometimes.

 

Pitch #104 for Verlander? Yea, 99 mph. And pitch #105? 100mph. That's top notch arm strength right there, folks.

I think he only had 4 or 5 K's.

 

I've seen him more dominant with his fastball moving a bit more and racking up massive K numbers with his curveball, but to have gun readings in the 100's in the 9th inning of a no-hitter is pretty unreal. He was more economical with his pitches and less concerned than when he came up with striking out everyone in sight.

 

You could see him huffing and puffing, the adrenaline was really flowing.

Do people even care about no-hitters/perfect games anymore? I laugh when ESPN classifies them as "Breaking News." STFU. We've seen like 8 in the last year and 1 month. From now on, you have to throw two in a row for it to mean something, IMO.

Seriously of all of the overreaction threads this is #1 with a bullet. There has been no better title this year.

Undo the Danks/McCarthy trade!!!!

 

Joking...sort of.

 

McCarthy has really changed mechanically. He's still throwing 92-93 MPH, but his arm angle is a lot closer to 3/4's or 4/5th's and he's totally reversed himself from a flyball, high in the strikezone pitcher to one a lot more similar to Jon Garland.

I'm gonna take a stab here...but Humber's a keeper maybe huh?

He definitely deserves to keep starting.

 

Jackson or Danks should be bullpen bound.

I'm gonna take a stab here...but Humber's a keeper maybe huh?

 

60 IP, which if you divide by a fair 7IP/start is near 9 starts worth

 

i'd say the sample size is good enough to predict what his year will be like if they keep him in the rotation

 

do i trust this organization to not f*** this up? nope.

Jackson's the one who needs to head to the pen, IMO. He's the one who most frequently stresses our pen anyway by not going deep into games. We also don't have as many compelling reasons to keep Edwin "happy", as he's the one most likely to NOT be here next season.

Jackson's the one who needs to head to the pen, IMO. He's the one who most frequently stresses our pen anyway by not going deep into games. We also don't have as many compelling reasons to keep Edwin "happy", as he's the one most likely to NOT be here next season.

Jackson has pitched 61 1/3 innings. Gavin, Mark, and John have all been at 66 or 67.

 

Let's not get crazy here.

Jackson's the one who needs to head to the pen, IMO. He's the one who most frequently stresses our pen anyway by not going deep into games. We also don't have as many compelling reasons to keep Edwin "happy", as he's the one most likely to NOT be here next season.

Honestly, I'd rather trade Jackson then move him to the pen. We have no idea how he'd be in the role, plus you'd be diminishing his value rather quickly. I'd try to move him for a reliever and a prospect.

 

Having said that, I'd keep this six man rotation going for another month or so before I do anything.

Honestly, I'd rather trade Jackson then move him to the pen. We have no idea how he'd be in the role, plus you'd be diminishing his value rather quickly. I'd try to move him for a reliever and a prospect.

 

Having said that, I'd keep this six man rotation going for another month or so before I do anything.

I'd rather keep him and see what he can give us in the bullpen and then get a draft pick for him. You probably won't get much for him in a trade now anyways.

I'd rather keep him and see what he can give us in the bullpen and then get a draft pick for him. You probably won't get much for him in a trade now anyways.

Two things. First, starting pitching is always in demand. If I was the GM for a team with a deep bullpen, I'd easily trade an arm and a B prospect for a pitcher like Jackson. You'd be getting a compensation pick in the offseason to replace the prospect and the SP would most likely have a much larger impact than the RP.

 

Second, if you move Jackson to the bullpen, how will it affect his compensation type? Would it be possilbe he falls from being a type B player and we don't get a pick. I don't know how switching from the rotation to the bullpen would affect this.

Two things. First, starting pitching is always in demand. If I was the GM for a team with a deep bullpen, I'd easily trade an arm and a B prospect for a pitcher like Jackson. You'd be getting a compensation pick in the offseason to replace the prospect and the SP would most likely have a much larger impact than the RP.

That team is also taking on salary, so that'll hurt his value a bit, and he's a starting pitcher who should be losing his job. That doesn't exactly scream value, he'll have some but teams don't necessarily want projects when it comes to competing down the stretch.

Jackson has pitched 61 1/3 innings. Gavin, Mark, and John have all been at 66 or 67.

 

Let's not get crazy here.

 

Not getting crazy, but if we ARE going back to a 5 man rotation, does anyone make more sense than Edwin? I suppose an argument could be made for Danks, but he's got a better chance to be part of the plan long-term, and a demotion could be a problem in that regard.

Honestly, I'd rather trade Jackson then move him to the pen. We have no idea how he'd be in the role, plus you'd be diminishing his value rather quickly. I'd try to move him for a reliever and a prospect.

Having said that, I'd keep this six man rotation going for another month or so before I do anything.

 

I wouldn't mind that either, depending on the value he'll have to some team, obviously.

That team is also taking on salary, so that'll hurt his value a bit, and he's a starting pitcher who should be losing his job. That doesn't exactly scream value, he'll have some but teams don't necessarily want projects when it comes to competing down the stretch.

The salary could affect his value depending on the team, but if we were to take back a reliever it would help offset some of it.

 

As for losing his job, it's only happening because we are six deep, it's not like he's being removed because he's been bad. He's just been the worse of the bunch.

 

Also, I don't know how you can call him a project. He's been hit or miss, but he's still got a 4.26 ERA with top of the rotation stuff. Plenty of teams would love to have him, even if he has some issues. Obviously, I have no idea what his value is right now, but I'd least see what's out there for him before I just move him to the bullpen.

 

 

Humber is showing us some really good potential and good numbers, but to say at this point we build around him is probably not realisitic. I remmeber when folks were clamoring to build our infield around Josh Fields

Lets say it's March 1st again for a moment. What kind of odds could I have received on this thread title appearing on soxtalk this year?

My view of Ramirez is he's a complimentary player, nothing special.

 

 

Disagree. By a country mile.

 

You don't have SSs who can hit over .280, get double digit HRs and play stellar SS day in and day out on trees.

You either draft them, trade for them or sign them as a UFA/international player.

The White Sox struck gold with him.

 

He may not be an Albert Pujols-special player, but he's right up there.

Let's see what Humber does in the Dog Days of baseball. Still has to prove that he can put it together for a full year. But...so far, very good!

I don't know if my post didn't go through, or if it was another thread but....

 

I think Jackson should be in the bullpen, but not because I think he is the worst starter we have (because he isn't), but because I think he would do the best out of the bullpen, and could be a very special weapon. A guy who throws 99-100, sick movement, 4-5 pitches, and can go multiple innings with ease? Uhmm....yes please.

I don't know if my post didn't go through, or if it was another thread but....

 

I think Jackson should be in the bullpen, but not because I think he is the worst starter we have (because he isn't), but because I think he would do the best out of the bullpen, and could be a very special weapon. A guy who throws 99-100, sick movement, 4-5 pitches, and can go multiple innings with ease? Uhmm....yes please.

 

nothing like paying a reliever 8+ million to not close!