Which if it is a team philosophy can be useful.

 

If you have one or two guys working the count and the remainder of the lineup swinging at the first close pitch they see, the walk is not effective.

 

Boston and New York are successful because they can tax a good starter and get them out with the philosophy of fighting off good pitches and taking a ton of pitches.

 

If Adam Dunn looks at a strike down the middle on 2-0 and gets a walk to get to the OPS terrible Alex Rios, this idea has failed.

 

You have to have a team of OPS focused players not just a couple sprinkled in here and there.

 

When Frank Thomas and Ray Durham were in sync it worked to perfection when Julio Franco was there to protect them. When Dan Pasqua was there to protect them, it did not work that well.

NY and Boston don't have as big a drop off in production from 1 thru 9 as most other teams do.

NY and Boston don't have as big a drop off in production from 1 thru 9 as most other teams do.

 

Which is why this philosophy can work for them and not for every team which the cubs will find out soon enough as have the A's.

 

 

Which if it is a team philosophy can be useful.

 

If you have one or two guys working the count and the remainder of the lineup swinging at the first close pitch they see, the walk is not effective.

 

Boston and New York are successful because they can tax a good starter and get them out with the philosophy of fighting off good pitches and taking a ton of pitches.

 

If Adam Dunn looks at a strike down the middle on 2-0 and gets a walk to get to the OPS terrible Alex Rios, this idea has failed.

 

You have to have a team of OPS focused players not just a couple sprinkled in here and there.

 

When Frank Thomas and Ray Durham were in sync it worked to perfection when Julio Franco was there to protect them. When Dan Pasqua was there to protect them, it did not work that well.

 

Julio Franco never protected Ray Durham. Neither did Pasqua. Cora, yes.

Julio Franco never protected Ray Durham. Neither did Pasqua. Cora, yes.

 

Sorry I meant Raines.

Sorry I meant Raines.

 

if you ever do that again you are done here. banned. forever.

Raines protected everyone.

Raines protected everyone.

 

Except hiimself

Except hiimself

 

Mostly just his nose went unprotected.

Except hiimself

808 stolen bases

808 grams of crack cocaine

if you ever do that again you are done here. banned. forever.

 

come on hawk loved to watch both of them run...stocky switch hitting black gentleman...easy mistake...not like confusing the one dog with either of them..

come on hawk loved to watch both of them run...stocky switch hitting black gentleman...easy mistake...not like confusing the one dog with either of them..

 

I'm pretty sure Franco wasn't a switch hitter.

And trust me, I tried quite a few times

You want impact players to make an impact, especially in big situations. During a crucial AB, most umps are going to give the pitcher the benefit on pitches an inch off the corner. You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs.

If you plug the result into Google, there are 156 results that pop up with this quote. They didn't just make it up.

 

 

Right, but the other stuff is one of their posters. Plus the quote is 5 years old and speaking about a specific player.

The problem with Frank's approach to hitting is that it only works for somebody with Frank's talent.

 

‘‘No doubt I can look at the swings of other players and see things. ‘My style was my style, but the bottom line is getting the hands in the right position, the body in the right position, putting your head on the ball and making a good swing. I don’t care if you’re two feet, one feet, hands up, hands down. You just have to get to that same spot and make it work.’’

 

-Frank Thomas

You want impact players to make an impact, especially in big situations. During a crucial AB, most umps are going to give the pitcher the benefit on pitches an inch off the corner. You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs.

 

Impact players don't make an impact by swinging at bad pitches. And wtf does 'You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs' mean?

‘‘No doubt I can look at the swings of other players and see things. ‘My style was my style, but the bottom line is getting the hands in the right position, the body in the right position, putting your head on the ball and making a good swing. I don’t care if you’re two feet, one feet, hands up, hands down. You just have to get to that same spot and make it work.’’

 

-Frank Thomas

Any hitting coach should know that, from little league to MLB, that's what they preach as the basics.

Just a reminder this was off southsidesox another internet message board. We're accepting it as correct. It's the same as taking a post from anyone here that includes a old quote from somebody which may or may not be accurate. I know it's the off season and we ware looking for anything to discuss, but this stuff becomes legend and pretty soon we all "know" what Manto is trying to do when in reality it's just some guy posting on an message board writing a feature post on what he believes Manto is trying to do.

Southsidesox is not a message board, it's a blog. And a damn good one at that.

Southsidesox is not a message board, it's a blog run by our old friend The Cheat who's damn good at what he does.

 

I thought Cheat got run off, and it was someone else now?

I thought Cheat got run off, and it was someone else now?

That's right Jim Margalus from Sox Machine is running SSS, brain fart.

That's right Jim Margalus from Sox Machine is running SSS, brain fart.

 

Ok, yeah. As a matter of a fact, I am pretty sure he wrote that article.

IS JEFF MANTO THIS DUMB

So Jeff Manto's silly little stat -- (R+RBI-HR)/G -- tweaked to account for the fact that a HR earns you both a run and an RBI as opposed to just one or the other -- (R+RBI-(HR*2))/G -- when calculated for last year's team looks something like this:

 

0.815 De Aza

0.797 Pierre

0.766 Ramirez

0.752 Konerko

0.695 Quentin

0.566 Rios

0.560 Beckham

0.543 Pierzynski

0.517 Viciedo

0.516 Morel

0.500 Flowers

0.459 Dunn

0.448 Vizquel

0.423 Lillibridge

0.314 Teahen

 

Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.

Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.

Apparently we've learned that Juan Pierre > Paul Konerko, which is absolutely outstanding. This stat must not include defense.

So Jeff Manto's silly little stat -- (R+RBI-HR)/G -- tweaked to account for the fact that a HR earns you both a run and an RBI as opposed to just one or the other -- (R+RBI-(HR*2))/G -- when calculated for last year's team looks something like this:

 

0.815 De Aza

0.797 Pierre

0.766 Ramirez

0.752 Konerko

0.695 Quentin

0.566 Rios

0.560 Beckham

0.543 Pierzynski

0.517 Viciedo

0.516 Morel

0.500 Flowers

0.459 Dunn

0.448 Vizquel

0.423 Lillibridge

0.314 Teahen

 

Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing.

 

We've learned what the batting order was last year. And that Dunn was awful.