Milkman delivers Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) This is the fan equal of saying that a guy with 16 wins and a 5.50 era is better than a guy with 10 wins and a 2.25 era. I think that comparison is crap, but have it however you'd like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) I may do that a few times this year. I've been so close to the action its very hard for me personally to go back up top unless its Cubs/Sox. This yes I think we will be able to sit wherever you want for many of those games however. I used to do that at Reds games, they were 10 bucks for the top 10 rows and we always moved all the way down. For years, that's all I ever did at Sox games. Grade school through high school. Those were the days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 It's funny seeing everybody talk about all of the secret ways to get to games. I literally walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 11:31 PM) Signed Jerry Reinsdorf Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:57 PM) The worst part was that a Cubs fan showed me that secret route That just sounds... wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 07:25 PM) I think that comparison is crap, but have it however you'd like it. You did what you should have done individually, but the circumstances you can't control didn't. Nope that is a perfect comparison to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) Sox drew 2.5 million fans in 2008. 5th out of 14 AL teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) Back in the days of the old park, and when Robert Taylor homes were still there, there was very good reason to be scared of it. No way I would have gone there. But now? Works great, and I feel no less safe than at the Red Line stop. The green line 35th street stop was the red line 35th street stop through the 90 or 91 season. Then they switched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 9, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) Back in the days of the old park, and when Robert Taylor homes were still there, there was very good reason to be scared of it. No way I would have gone there. But now? Works great, and I feel no less safe than at the Red Line stop. Way back in the day the green line used to go to Howard. When I lived in Uptown and Edgewater that is usually how I got to the park, day and night games. The platform was more often than not crowded at 35th street and I never even came close to a bad incident getting off the train and walking to the park, or on the return trip after the game. Various vendors usually lined 35th street. When I became legal I often would make a stop at McCuddy's before entering the grand old ball park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Dec 10, 2011 -> 10:58 AM) Way back in the day the green line used to go to Howard. When I lived in Uptown and Edgewater that is usually how I got to the park, day and night games. The platform was more often than not crowded at 35th street and I never even came close to a bad incident getting off the train and walking to the park, or on the return trip after the game. Various vendors usually lined 35th street. When I became legal I often would make a stop at McCuddy's before entering the grand old ball park. Legal? I think I was 10 the first time I was in McCuddy's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) You did what you should have done individually, but the circumstances you can't control didn't. Nope that is a perfect comparison to me. A better comparison would be to a manager who seemingly makes the right moves, but the players screw up and they lose consistently. It'd be justifiable to fire him. The results are what matter for a manager/GM. There are no individual stats for management (other than wins and losses). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2011 -> 06:05 PM) Legal? I think I was 10 the first time I was in McCuddy's My dad and uncle didn't patronize the place. When I started going to games myself I was still too young to drink. Then when I was I tried to make up for lost time. It was a dump, but I loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) Haha, no chance. People are still scared of that green line stop. The only people that go on it are going to oak park, i feel like. Lived in Oak Park from 1999-2004 and took the Green Line to at least a dozen games per year. Never once had a problem. Entertained myself on the way home by playing the very politically incorrect game of guessing what stop people would get off at based on their appearance. Edited December 12, 2011 by HickoryHuskers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 09:58 PM) I'd rather blame Dunn, Peavy and Rios. This firesale never happens if we don't suck in 2011. Dunn wasn't traded for, he was a FA....but knittpicking asside....I'm absolutely baffled how anyone, with any baseball knowledge, would sign a player to such an exorbitant contract, to be a DH who strikes out 183 times a year on average. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a DH is supposed to be the RBI guy on a team....which means he is supposed to be able to put the bat on the ball, to drive in runs......how does a hitter do that when he Ks 183 times a year on average ? So why does kenny give him such a monster contract ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) Dunn wasn't traded for, he was a FA....but knittpicking asside....I'm absolutely baffled how anyone, with any baseball knowledge, would sign a player to such an exorbitant contract, to be a DH who strikes out 183 times a year on average. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a DH is supposed to be the RBI guy on a team....which means he is supposed to be able to put the bat on the ball, to drive in runs......how does a hitter do that when he Ks 183 times a year on average ? So why does kenny give him such a monster contract ? Prior to last year, Adam Dunn had driven in 100 runs every full season of his career except for 2006 when he only drove in 92. So if "Driving in runs" is your concern, Adam Dunn is a guy you spend $15 million a year on, he consistently drives in 100+ runs. Every year. Like Clockwork. Until last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) Prior to last year, Adam Dunn had driven in 100 runs every full season of his career except for 2006 when he only drove in 92. So if "Driving in runs" is your concern, Adam Dunn is a guy you spend $15 million a year on, he consistently drives in 100+ runs. Every year. Like Clockwork. Until last year. Prior to last year, Adam Dunn played in the NL and was never a DH. Even prior to last year (now we're going prior-prior), he EXPRESSED reservations about the role the Sox were asking (namely, being a DH and adjusting to the AL).... So, guy shows multiple times he's not comfortable of the role we're asking him to fill and "like clockwork" he sucks after Kenny gets his man. Lots of people thought he was a bad move and lots of people were right. Edited December 14, 2011 by Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I wouldn't say LOTS. Go back to the thread signing posts that week. You won't find many. Why did Dunn sign the contract in the first place, if he and his agent had these concerns about transitioning to the AL/DH role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) I wouldn't say LOTS. Go back to the thread signing posts that week. You won't find many. Why did Dunn sign the contract in the first place, if he and his agent had these concerns about transitioning to the AL/DH role? 56 million reasons why he signed the contract. There was absolutely no reason to think Dunn would be as bad as he was, but there were plenty of red flags to think he could struggle. One of those certainly was his earlier reluctance to be a DH. Edited December 15, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 QUOTE (Andrew @ Dec 14, 2011 -> 01:04 AM) Prior to last year, Adam Dunn played in the NL and was never a DH. Even prior to last year (now we're going prior-prior), he EXPRESSED reservations about the role the Sox were asking (namely, being a DH and adjusting to the AL).... So, guy shows multiple times he's not comfortable of the role we're asking him to fill and "like clockwork" he sucks after Kenny gets his man. Lots of people thought he was a bad move and lots of people were right. Where were these "lots of" people? I only remember there being a few. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 why are we talking about dunnf***? i thought this was yet another sox fan b****ing that fans dont support the sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 why are we talking about dunnf***? i thought this was yet another sox fan b****ing that fans dont support the sox? You don't think Dunn's performance (and now, subsequent inability to contract better talent because we're paying him so much $ to DH) could impact fans decision to support the team? I'm not saying it is or isn't, but I could see it being conceivable and certainly relevant to the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 For me, Dunn performance isn't going to keep me away or keep me going. Sadly, nothing keeps me from going... Love baseball, and love the Sox... will hit my 5-10 games a year. I'm awaiting to see what the final roster will look like, still hit opening day.. and then 2-3 games a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 QUOTE (Andrew @ Dec 15, 2011 -> 10:39 AM) You don't think Dunn's performance (and now, subsequent inability to contract better talent because we're paying him so much $ to DH) could impact fans decision to support the team? I'm not saying it is or isn't, but I could see it being conceivable and certainly relevant to the discussion. dumbdunn being on the team is not the fans' fault. the OP says that this "mess" is the combined fault of Kenny and the fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 dumbdunn being on the team is not the fans' fault. the OP says that this "mess" is the combined fault of Kenny and the fanbase. I'm still confused on how the GM's moves are the fans fault. Does that mean I can take credit as well for the 05 WS win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Dec 15, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) I'm still confused on how the GM's moves are the fans fault. Does that mean I can take credit as well for the 05 WS win? i think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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