Boogua Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 10:52 PM) If IU doesn't make the final four its an epic fail. They have all the pieces needed to win a title. Defense. I still say that'll be their downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 QUOTE (Boogua @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 12:03 AM) Defense. I still say that'll be their downfall. I don't know which way to go on this one. I'll readily admit that from what they've show so far, both this year and previous years, shouldn't exactly inspire confidence. It's been solid in general, and they do usually do a good job locking down top scorers (Oladipo in particular), but there's way too many fundamental lapses that give up easy buckets. But at the same time, I still think they can become a very good defensive team by tournament time, or at least a team good enough to win a title given how explosive the offense is. I can see it happening because the athleticism and will to work/improve is definitely there; that's been evidenced in other areas. But if they can't improve, it definitely has a chance to be a fatal achilles heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 QUOTE (Boogua @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 12:03 AM) Defense. I still say that'll be their downfall. Maybe, but every title team has a weakness. I had a team that was an epic fail a few years ago. It's not a guarantee but they have all the pieces at the right time. They are fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) I'm certainly not Indiana's biggest fan but their defense has actually been pretty good so far this year. Like I've said before, they're definitely in the top tier of teams but they're not above it. Edited December 22, 2012 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 01:34 AM) Maybe, but every title team has a weakness. I had a team that was an epic fail a few years ago. It's not a guarantee but they have all the pieces at the right time. They are fantastic. Can we please stop with the "fantastic" talk? They've played two solid teams so far this year and both games went to OT. They're 1-1 in those two games. Do they look amazing against cupcakes? Yes. But can't we just wait until they actually do something that warrants calling them fantastic? Â All title teams have a weakness, but seldom is it defense. It's a big reason Roy Williams took a while to win a national championship (and his teams were much more loaded than this IU team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 QUOTE (Boogua @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 10:38 AM) Can we please stop with the "fantastic" talk? They've played two solid teams so far this year and both games went to OT. They're 1-1 in those two games. Do they look amazing against cupcakes? Yes. But can't we just wait until they actually do something that warrants calling them fantastic? Â All title teams have a weakness, but seldom is it defense. It's a big reason Roy Williams took a while to win a national championship (and his teams were much more loaded than this IU team). Â Partially agree with you, but you act like this team is a finished product. Their best interior defender (Perea) is just coming off suspension. He had 10 boards and 2 blocks in 12 minutes last night. He's going to make a huge difference, along with Elston coming back (probably our 2nd best interior defender). There's still a few months left to mold this team together and I have no doubt they will, as long as they stay healthy. They have the best perimeter defender in the country in Oladipo. I don't think another guard even comes close. Hell, Brad Stevens just came out and said this week that Victor was the best defensive player he's ever seen in college basketball. with the well oiled machine that is their offense, I think there's plenty of time to fine tune the defense (which has already been pretty damn good this year) now that Perea and Elston are back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) Partially agree with you, but you act like this team is a finished product. Their best interior defender (Perea) is just coming off suspension. He had 10 boards and 2 blocks in 12 minutes last night. He's going to make a huge difference, along with Elston coming back (probably our 2nd best interior defender). There's still a few months left to mold this team together and I have no doubt they will, as long as they stay healthy. They have the best perimeter defender in the country in Oladipo. I don't think another guard even comes close. Hell, Brad Stevens just came out and said this week that Victor was the best defensive player he's ever seen in college basketball. with the well oiled machine that is their offense, I think there's plenty of time to fine tune the defense (which has already been pretty damn good this year) now that Perea and Elston are back. They have a big ten season in front of them. If they can't learn to play defense effectively, they're going to be beaten up until they learn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Bowers should be T'd up here. Takes McClaurin to the ground then grabs his ankle as he McClaurin walks away. Can't allow that type of bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Gutless bulls*** by the refs, McClaurin does nothing and gets t'd up along with Bowers. Just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Yes, get to complain about the refs, my favorite. Giving a T to McLaurin for doing nothing was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Refs have lost control of this game. Meanwhile, Phil Pressey trying to go 0-20 from the floor it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 This game is out of control. Â Â Â About to be full-on Xavier-Cincy. Â Â Teddy V got in between two players to calm them down...while play was still going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 It's incredible how efficient Joe Bertrand is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 23, 2012 -> 01:41 AM) Refs have lost control of this game. Meanwhile, Phil Pressey trying to go 0-20 from the floor it seems. Â Yeah, he's keeping Illinois in this while the announcers think he's Isiah Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Tyler Griffey is the worst defensive player in college basketball. Really good shooter but he absolutely kills Illinois on the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Also, hopefully this isn't the start of Richardson's annual slump. He missed an incredible amount of wide open 3s today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Tyler Griffey pretty much single handily lost the game for Illinois tonight, even with a couple key 3s. Anytime he came off the floor, Illinois made a run. When he was on it, they had no chance at stopping Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 22, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) Gutless bulls*** by the refs, McClaurin does nothing and gets t'd up along with Bowers. Just awful. In fairness before the TV timeout that preceded those free throws Bowers made a fast break layup and McLaurin put his weight into him in a sort of shove as Bowers ran back to the other side of the floor. Whatever those two had been getting into developed before that play, that was just the end of it. Â Neither team brought their A game. Pressey was effective even though he couldn't make a shot and Paul wasn't lights out, but got to the line a bunch. Both players showed that even on off nights they bring a lot of value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Well, the Illini had to lose sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Tough day for the SEC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Sick of Illini getting beat by Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Phil Pressey with the most impressive 3-19 performance you will ever see. That was a fun game to watch, Illinois wasn't gonna win them all, DJ & BP3 went 3-17 from behind the arc, it happens. Just be ready to play at the UC next weekend, Auburn just lost home to Winthrop so that needs to be an easy W. Â And back off all you Tyler Griffey haters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Wow we really sucked today. Open shot, brick. Open shot, brick. I'd love to face Kansas again in the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 23, 2012 -> 01:52 AM) Yeah, he's keeping Illinois in this while the announcers think he's Isiah Thomas. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 God was Tyler Griffey frustrating. He has a habit, on defense, of making the wrong decision and making it too late. Our entire strategy against Pressey was questionable, though. We didn't need to hedge those ballscreens and give him an open post player to pass to when he is completely unable to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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