Swingandalongonetoleft Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) Flip a coin for which one (Danks or Humber) goes in the rotation when they're back, cuz Quintana's here to stay. Coins will definitely play a big part in this decision, but not in a flip/heads-or-tails kind of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner10 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:53 PM) Coins will definitely play a big part in this decision, but not in a flip/heads-or-tails kind of way. I see what you did there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 02:49 PM) A. The person you just described is better than Humber. B. Danks had 3 seasons of a mid-3s ERA and 1.2 WHIP which is better than Humber has ever been. A. Yeah, probably. If I had to pick I'd put him in the rotation over Humber. I wasn't really intending on turning this into an argument - it was just a "our rotation's really good" flippant kind of comment that y'all have gotten up in arms about. B. when he was 24-26. Peak years for a pitcher. But even in those years his SIERA was much higher than his ERA. Last year it was a bit lower, but it evens out to a 3.80-4.30 ERA with a 1.28-1.35 WHIP. Definitely useful, but not quite what a lot of us hoped Danks would be. That said, he's an awesome 3rd or 4th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) A. Yeah, probably. If I had to pick I'd put him in the rotation over Humber. I wasn't really intending on turning this into an argument - it was just a "our rotation's really good" flippant kind of comment that y'all have gotten up in arms about. B. when he was 24-26. Peak years for a pitcher. But even in those years his SIERA was much higher than his ERA. Last year it was a bit lower, but it evens out to a 3.80-4.30 ERA with a 1.28-1.35 WHIP. Definitely useful, but not quite what a lot of us hoped Danks would be. That said, he's an awesome 3rd or 4th starter. Good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) A. Yeah, probably. If I had to pick I'd put him in the rotation over Humber. I wasn't really intending on turning this into an argument - it was just a "our rotation's really good" flippant kind of comment that y'all have gotten up in arms about. B. when he was 24-26. Peak years for a pitcher. But even in those years his SIERA was much higher than his ERA. Last year it was a bit lower, but it evens out to a 3.80-4.30 ERA with a 1.28-1.35 WHIP. Definitely useful, but not quite what a lot of us hoped Danks would be. That said, he's an awesome 3rd or 4th starter. A lot of pitchers don't even get into the bigs until 23-24 I have a hard time believing those would be the peak years... have any stats to back that up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Is there seriously a discussion going on here about contemplating over Humber and Danks, really? Screw that, amazing sweep, greating pitching performance by Quintana! And a big time homerun by Youkilis yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:01 PM) A lot of pitchers don't even get into the bigs until 23-24 I have a hard time believing those would be the peak years... have any stats to back that up? and those pitchers who dont break in till 24, 25 etc usually aren't as good as those that break in at 20. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=10095 Like hitters, pitchers generally debuted between ages 23-27 The most common age of exit in this sample was 27, much like the hitters. Exit, in this case, meaning either no longer playing or transitioned from starter into reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Minnesota losing to the Tigers despite getting a ton of hits but unable to really show for it on the scoreboard. Cleveland's got a series with TB, mismatch in the pitching matchups hopefully TB sweeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 From same article: Debut Age One-year Wonder Became Reliever 0-22 22.4% 40.8% 23 34.9% 36.0% 24 38.3% 51.9% 25 33.8% 36.6% 26 47.1% 43.1% 27 51.4% 40.0% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The serpent and the blood of his penis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:21 PM) That was very, very impressive. Yes An ass kicking, a come from behind walf off win a pitcher's duel win against the best team in the AL...Sox are for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 All the media is talking about is Youkilis, lol. I just find it funny that even when the White Sox win, the media never talks about us, the narrative is all about how this Red Sox guy came in on his white horse and saved us... I suppose I should just be happy we won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnymick Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) All the media is talking about is Youkilis, lol. I just find it funny that even when the White Sox win, the media never talks about us, the narrative is all about how this Red Sox guy came in on his white horse and saved us... I suppose I should just be happy we won. The last few games, he has saved us (with help from others, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 He's been fantastic. A smart vet is just what we needed at the plate. I know people had doubts about his health but KW gets credit for making great decisions all season so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noonskadoodle Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 What an AWESOME WIN & SWEEP!!! Nice having De Aza Youk & Dunn batting in front of Paulie, Rios, & Konerkro. The first 3 see so many pitches per at bat & the next 3 love to drive in runs. This lineup is FORREAL "if" they stay healthy. GO SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:33 PM) He's been fantastic. A smart vet is just what we needed at the plate. I know people had doubts about his health but KW gets credit for making great decisions all season so far It's amazing how a G.M. looks so much better when the players actually play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Damn, we're getting there. Getting sold on Q in a way I never was with Humber, others. Sox willing, this will be ranked among Yankees biggest FO gaffes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 09:13 PM) Is there seriously a discussion going on here about contemplating over Humber and Danks, really? Screw that, amazing sweep, greating pitching performance by Quintana! And a big time homerun by Youkilis yet again. Exactly, that kind of discussion is insane. Humber needs to just go away. Wow Q knows how to pitch. Youk is the type of acquisition that can make series sweeps like this possible. He's another badass veteran to go with Paulie and AJ. Nice sweep and the team is hot at home right now. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 04:16 PM) and those pitchers who dont break in till 24, 25 etc usually aren't as good as those that break in at 20. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=10095 Exit, in this case, meaning either no longer playing or transitioned from starter into reliever. Well no s*** the guys make the majors at 20 are usually more talented than the ones who make the bigs at 24. The question was where are your stats to show the prime years of a pitcher are 24-26? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 04:21 PM) The serpent and the blood of his penis! Feathered Serpent fears no mortal man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 04:46 PM) It's amazing how a G.M. looks so much better when the players actually play well. and a manager that hasn't mailed it in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Goddamn impressive. Nothing more I can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (soxmaniac! @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) You're welcome everybody Quiet you. Your invocation of Chicago's Worst Song had nothing to do with us winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) Yaa Flowers hasn't done too well at the plate but what goes unnoticed is how well he handles the pitching staff whenever he is called upon. He deserves a bit of the credit as well for how well Quintana threw today against arguably the top offensive club in the league. The game calling was excellent today. Edited July 6, 2012 by kapzk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) Well no s*** the guys make the majors at 20 are usually more talented than the ones who make the bigs at 24. The question was where are your stats to show the prime years of a pitcher are 24-26? i already gave them to you. read the friggin article. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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