caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Psychologically, we have the fear/phobia with Verlander now that existed against Sabathia and Johan Santana. You take your chances with Fister, and are happy that Sale can hopefully go out and beat the Twins, instead. Of course, the value of Sale beating Verlander and that confidence gain, wow. But losing three in a row, not so inspirational. But Sale has been SO GOOD at home this year, 9-2, ERA of around 1.70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) I can't believe you are concerned with individual matchups vs. Det. They don't matter. It's best we don't play Detroit for a few days at least. See if we can build the lead up again. We weren't going to suddenly beat Verlander tonight. Now if Sale can do what's expected of him, beat Minnie, and Cleveland takes care of Detroit, we could be cooking again. One can hardly wait to see your posts the next time we face KC. Will they be even more pessimistic than against DET, since MOST of America actually believes the Tigers are a better team than us, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Don't forget this gives Dunn another day to heal up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Regardless of how you feel about which matchup is better, you have to agree it still takes away momentum from detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:46 PM) Psychologically, we have the fear/phobia with Verlander now that existed against Sabathia and Johan Santana. You take your chances with Fister, and are happy that Sale can hopefully go out and beat the Twins, instead. Of course, the value of Sale beating Verlander and that confidence gain, wow. But losing three in a row, not so inspirational. But Sale has been SO GOOD at home this year, 9-2, ERA of around 1.70. Psychologically, they have the fear/phobia with a s*** load of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 02:48 AM) One can hardly wait to see your posts the next time we face KC. Will they be even more pessimistic than against DET, since MOST of America actually believes the Tigers are a better team than us, right? I'm definitely penciling those in as 3 losses, that's for sure. I figure we have four guaranteed losses the rest of the way. We have to play red-hot baseball in the other games to be in the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) I can't believe you are concerned with individual matchups vs. Det. They don't matter. It's best we don't play Detroit for a few days at least. See if we can build the lead up again. We weren't going to suddenly beat Verlander tonight. Now if Sale can do what's expected of him, beat Minnie, and Cleveland takes care of Detroit, we could be cooking again. Stop being so doom and gloom Greg. It's annoying as s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 07:53 PM) I'm definitely penciling those in as 3 losses, that's for sure. I figure we have four guaranteed losses the rest of the way. We have to play red-hot baseball in the other games to be in the postseason. I actually think we'll take 2/3 from KC the next time we play them. Not sure about Monday's game, no idea, at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:25 PM) Who cares? Does it really matter who we pitch against them? I'd rather pitch Sale against Minnie who he will be favored to beat at least. QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:31 PM) Yes we dodged a bullet. We would have lost tonight. Now at least we have a chance of a different scenario happening. QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:39 PM) I can't believe you are concerned with individual matchups vs. Det. They don't matter. It's best we don't play Detroit for a few days at least. See if we can build the lead up again. We weren't going to suddenly beat Verlander tonight. Now if Sale can do what's expected of him, beat Minnie, and Cleveland takes care of Detroit, we could be cooking again. QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:53 PM) I'm definitely penciling those in as 3 losses, that's for sure. I figure we have four guaranteed losses the rest of the way. We have to play red-hot baseball in the other games to be in the postseason. HES BACKKKKK....LOL you were tolerable for awhile there greg, I was starting to like you man...then you drop all this on us. There is (probably) not a better pitcher in baseball at home than Chris Sale. Verlander is no bueno on the road. I dont give a single f*ck about momentum. I wanted Justin vs Sale...bad...I'd wet myself if both teams pushed em back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Another reason that I love missing Verlander is because he is way more likely to take us away from their 'pen. We can get into that pen early against anyone else, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 08:48 PM) Regardless of how you feel about which matchup is better, you have to agree it still takes away momentum from detroit. There is no game-to-game momentum in baseball, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 02:02 AM) Stop being so doom and gloom Greg. It's annoying as s***. I'm just pissed off at the team for its play vs. Det and KC. QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 02:11 AM) HES BACKKKKK....LOL you were tolerable for awhile there greg, I was starting to like you man...then you drop all this on us. There is (probably) not a better pitcher in baseball at home than Chris Sale. Verlander is no bueno on the road. I dont give a single f*ck about momentum. I wanted Justin vs Sale...bad...I'd wet myself if both teams pushed em back. I'm just pissed at the Sox for their s***ty play vs. KC and Detroit. Do you realize how many games we'd be up in the division if we had a just a decent record against both teams or Detroit only?? Just has pissed me off beyond belief. I figured why not just pencil in any game aginst the two as a loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:02 PM) There is no game-to-game momentum in baseball, IMO. Big time agreed, no such thing in baseball as momentum(sorry fathom, respect the hell out of you but hate how much you use that word). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 03:56 AM) Big time agreed, no such thing in baseball as momentum(sorry fathom, respect the hell out of you but hate how much you use that word). I use momentum for in-game reasons, not game-to-game. With it being such a long season, it seems there are a lot of games you can win just by not giving the other team reason to think they can comeback in game. I'm all about pitching match-ups for game-to-game stuff. Edited September 14, 2012 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 14, 2012 -> 04:56 AM) Big time agreed, no such thing in baseball as momentum(sorry fathom, respect the hell out of you but hate how much you use that word). What do you call it then when KC and Detroit get on a roll vs. a team like the White Sox? Momentum is the kind word for it. I mean it hasn't really mattered what the matchups are, the Sox are in a death spiral against both teams and yes, I'd think it's momentum. Remember that series in Detroit how the Sox blew it in the third or fourth inning and it seemed to carry from there through the rest of the series? How can you guys not call that momentum? Or KC winning the last 3-4 series vs. the Sox. When the losses come night after night fast and furious, I think it's fair to call that "momentum." On the flip side they say "momentum is tomorrow's starting pitcher." Again ... how do you account for the rash of losses? We've had some decent starting pitchers going. I think momentum exists. Edited September 14, 2012 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Talking about momentum, I remember Joe Torre said he felt momentum change in that series where the Red Sox came back from the 0-3 defecit. He said he felt it change when the Red Sox won I think game 5 in extra innings and the Yankees just couldn't overcome it afterwards. He definitely believes in momentum for what it's worth... Edited September 14, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 If you think momentum doesn't exist you clearly never played a minute of sports in your life. Yea it might be overblown on Soxtalk, but s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 11:13 PM) If you think momentum doesn't exist you clearly never played a minute of sports in your life. Yea it might be overblown on Soxtalk, but s***. I'll just say ha at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 09:02 PM) There is no game-to-game momentum in baseball, IMO. Tell that to the 2011 Tigers and...........I don't know maybe a s***load of baseball teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:13 PM) If you think momentum doesn't exist you clearly never watched a minute of sports in your life. Yea it might be overblown on Soxtalk, but s***. Fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:09 PM) Talking about momentum, I remember Joe Torre said he felt momentum change in that series where the Red Sox came back from the 0-3 defecit. He said he felt it change when the Red Sox won I think game 5 in extra innings and the Yankees just couldn't overcome it afterwards. He definitely believes in momentum for what it's worth... What does he know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Big time agreed, no such thing in baseball as momentum(sorry fathom, respect the hell out of you but hate how much you use that word). 2012 Sox and Tigers agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 10:23 PM) Tell that to the AUGUST/SEPTEMBER 2011 Tigers and...........I don't know maybe a s***load of baseball teams. or the 2006 TWINS or the 2005 WHITE SOX (or Stros), last week of season, into playoffs or the 2006/11 Cardinals, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Gavin looked phenomenal last time out, I hope he can keep it up next time and deeper into the ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 As far as momentum goes, I don't think it comes into play much in the conventional sense in baseball. I think offenses can help each other and hurt each other, but the starting pitcher (most important individual) is impervious to the changes in momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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