LittleHurt05 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) He fixed it. Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS chavez gets to play at home with $3M #dbacks deal Yeah, I just saw that, deleted my post. He needs be more careful, you shouldn't be screwing up stuff that major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 DKnobler @DKnobler With 3B settled, White Sox feel free to look at trade market. Hoping to make a splash Yes yes yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 02:03 PM) DKnobler @DKnobler With 3B settled, White Sox feel free to look at trade market. Hoping to make a splash Yes yes yes. This makes a lot of sense. They've now set their baseline roster, and can start wheeling and dealing to improve it. Should be fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Merkin saying that Sox aren't done. Will add another infielder and a veteran catcher if AJ isn't re-signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 This should be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Justin Upton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Bob Nightengale @BNightengale With the #WhiteSox signing Jeff Keppinger to a 3-year, $12 million deal, their next order of business is trade talks involving Gavin Floyd. Hopefully, they have McCarthy or someone lined up to take his spot if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) Could it be time to package Floyd and Viciedo, and add LH bat with a difference maker in the outfield? One would think this is the last offseason that any mystery surrounds DV's value. Edited December 5, 2012 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) Could it be time to package Floyd and Viciedo, and add LH bat with a difference maker in the outfield? One would think this is the last offseason that any mystery surrounds DV's value. I personally think it will be a mistake to trade Viciedo. Last year was his first full time season and it was a success in my eyes. He had his struggles but the guy just has too much going for him to trade in his sophomore year. For me, you don't even consider trading him until the 2014 off-season. It's still my contention and hope that he becomes one of the best 5 hole hitters in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 03:36 PM) I personally think it will be a mistake to trade Viciedo. Last year was his first full time season and it was a success in my eyes. He had his struggles but the guy just has too much going for him to trade in his sophomore year. For me, you don't even consider trading him until the 2014 off-season. It's still my contention and hope that he becomes one of the best 5 hole hitters in the league. He's got talent but he's a long, long ways away. You look for progress from a guy like Viciedo throughout the year. For Viciedo, he basically had an incredible May, hit for power in September, struck out a slightly lower rate in the second half(23.9% to 20.1%), and walked incrementally more in the second half (4.9% to 5.4%...he literally walked the same amount of times, just in 24 fewer plate appearances). There's hope, but if you can capitalize on his value, I would do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Joel Sherman said he heard from Youk's "colleague" that Youk didn't like playing in Chicago since the Sox didn't draw huge crowds. So is that why he hit so well at home then? Is that also why he's looking to sign with the Indians, whose attendance is even worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) He's got talent but he's a long, long ways away. You look for progress from a guy like Viciedo throughout the year. For Viciedo, he basically had an incredible May, hit for power in September, struck out a slightly lower rate in the second half(23.9% to 20.1%), and walked incrementally more in the second half (4.9% to 5.4%...he literally walked the same amount of times, just in 24 fewer plate appearances). There's hope, but if you can capitalize on his value, I would do so. I don't think the stats quantify the progress he made last season. The quality of his bats went up and there were a series of adjustments and counter adjustments that won't be happening for the first time next year. Every time pitchers changed their approach against him last year, it required more or less a first time ever adjustment from him. He made those adjustments too, but it took time. We have to assume that next year his turn around time on these adjustments will be quicker instead of spending a month trying to hit the inside pitch in play, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Joel Sherman said he heard from Youk's "colleague" that Youk didn't like playing in Chicago since the Sox didn't draw huge crowds. So is that why he hit so well at home then? Is that also why he's looking to sign with the Indians, whose attendance is even worse? That might be the worst reason I've ever heard in my life. Youkilis can pound sand, I hope he doesn't do jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 There were similiar reports about Youk being annoyed by the bad attendance. Good thing he's considering the Indians then, he'll get used to playing in front of tens and tens of fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Joel Sherman said he heard from Youk's "colleague" that Youk didn't like playing in Chicago since the Sox didn't draw huge crowds. So is that why he hit so well at home then? Is that also why he's looking to sign with the Indians, whose attendance is even worse? Once a horse's ass, always a horse's ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) There were similiar reports about Youk being annoyed by the bad attendance. Good thing he's considering the Indians then, he'll get used to playing in front of tens and tens of fans. I dont buy he said that, sounds like sour grapes Red Sox fans to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Regardless, Youk can go away. He blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) Surely Youk will make some money here in a day or less...but I have to note...if it really is a reason he didn't like playing here-- I respect that. So many ballplayers seem to just collect the check and not appreciate things about the game itself, or being at the ballpark, etc I actually like the idea of someone appreciating that stuff. Fans should be at the park, if you want those three hours to be the ultimate experience. And they should be loud and add to the atmosphere. If they're not there and/or not loud, what is wrong with noting that? Edited December 5, 2012 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Yeah, you can't b**** about players following the money while simultaneously b**** about them prioritizing non-monetary considerations. Just because the non-monetary consideration is against your team, that does not mean that the player (Youk) is a bad guy. He practically chose the White Sox when he left Boston, but something about his experience here made him not especially eager to stay. Who cares? And if it is the attendance...are you going to say that he doesn't have a good argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Even if Youk did have an issue with the attendance, he does realize that there really isn't many teams that sell out at the rate the Red Sox do, right? Other than maybe the Cubs and Yankees, what franchise can boast about sell-out crowds every single night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 11:01 PM) I dont buy he said that, sounds like sour grapes Red Sox fans to me. I thought KW said after the season that player(s) came to him concerned about the attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 04:22 PM) Yeah, you can't b**** about players following the money while simultaneously b**** about them prioritizing non-monetary considerations. Just because the non-monetary consideration is against your team, that does not mean that the player (Youk) is a bad guy. He practically chose the White Sox when he left Boston, but something about his experience here made him not especially eager to stay. Who cares? And if it is the attendance...are you going to say that he doesn't have a good argument? If it's not about money and he wants to play in front of a big crowd, then there are other teams he can sign with. If he signs with Cleveland, then he's a hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) If it's not about money and he wants to play in front of a big crowd, then there are other teams he can sign with. If he signs with Cleveland, then he's a hypocrite. Or he's been misquoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Youk's fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales Hahn: no marching orders to shed payroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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