When I asked about Navarro

 

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 5m

I know they had interest but to what degree I'm not sure.

https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN

When I asked about Navarro

 

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 5m

I know they had interest but to what degree I'm not sure.

https://twitter.com/DanHayesCSN

That's cool. I like Hayes. He always replies to tweets asking about the Sox.

That's cool. I like Hayes. He always replies to tweets asking about the Sox.

 

 

Yeah he has replied to all my free agent questions so far.

Cano asking for 9 years, 260 now. Still an impossible signing.

Cano asking for 9 years, 260 now. Still an impossible signing.

 

Shave another $30M off and he may have a deal.

Cano is going to have to "settle" with so much less. All the teams looking to compete all have second basemen already. Yankees have all the leverage here.

Cano is going to have to "settle" with so much less. All the teams looking to compete all have second basemen already. Yankees have all the leverage here.

 

Wait until the Tigers sign him and then put Kinsler in LF. *Boom, headshot*

Cano asking for 9 years, 260 now. Still an impossible signing.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'd seriously consider jumping into the Cano market IF the Yankees move on and sign a different major free agent instead. IMO, the only way Cano gets an insane deal is if the Yankees essentially bid against themselves, which is what Cano's agents are clearly pushing for night now. Take them out of the bidding process and you have a completely different market for him. Still unlikely we'd be able to pull off a deal, but I at least hope Hahn would be talking to Cano's agents.

Cano asking for 9 years, 260 now. Still an impossible signing.

 

So far, so good for Jay-Z

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'd seriously consider jumping into the Cano market IF the Yankees move on and sign a different major free agent instead. IMO, the only way Cano gets an insane deal is if the Yankees essentially bid against themselves, which is what Cano's agents are clearly pushing for night now. Take them out of the bidding process and you have a completely different market for him. Still unlikely we'd be able to pull off a deal, but I at least hope Hahn would be talking to Cano's agents.

 

I don't think you should get flamed at all. IF (and that's a big if) the Yankees move on and sign a guy like Beltran, Cano will have to drop his asking price if he wants to return to the Yankees, which could help other teams that have interest in him. I don't see the harm in the Sox looking into him, but considering this team is still a ways away from competing, I can't see the Sox being serious bidders. I don't think the Sox would be willing to offer both the years, and money that Cano will be asking for.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'd seriously consider jumping into the Cano market IF the Yankees move on and sign a different major free agent instead. IMO, the only way Cano gets an insane deal is if the Yankees essentially bid against themselves, which is what Cano's agents are clearly pushing for night now. Take them out of the bidding process and you have a completely different market for him. Still unlikely we'd be able to pull off a deal, but I at least hope Hahn would be talking to Cano's agents.

 

Not by me. I think you've recognized the key caveat.

I don't think you should get flamed at all. IF (and that's a big if) the Yankees move on and sign a guy like Beltran, Cano will have to drop his asking price if he wants to return to the Yankees, which could help other teams that have interest in him. I don't see the harm in the Sox looking into him, but considering this team is still a ways away from competing, I can't see the Sox being serious bidders. I don't think the Sox would be willing to offer both the years, and money that Cano will be asking for.

 

In a deal like that, I wouldn't go over five years.

I'd definitely do 5/125 for Cano

I'd definitely do 5/125 for Cano

I was thinking the same, but that isn't going to happen. Any good agent is going to recognize that you want to stretch the deal into the 6-9 year realm because that is when Cano's skills will likely be declining most. If you accept a 5 year deal, it's got to be compensating him a ton in those years...probably would have to be something more like 5/175 to get that deal done, and then you are just defeating the purpose from the Org's perspective.

That's the same contract Josh Hamilton signed for. Robinson Cano is a far better investment than Josh Hamilton was. For 5 years, you are probably looking at $150 mill, in which case it would make just as much sense to spread it out and go 7/$175, which spreads it a bit thinner.

 

I like Cano, but this is a bidding process I stay out of. Develop and re-sign your own guys to deals like this.

I was thinking the same, but that isn't going to happen. Any good agent is going to recognize that you want to stretch the deal into the 6-9 year realm because that is when Cano's skills will likely be declining most. If you accept a 5 year deal, it's got to be compensating him a ton in those years...probably would have to be something more like 5/175 to get that deal done, and then you are just defeating the purpose from the Org's perspective.

 

The problem is that someone has to be willing to offer him a big number for 6 to 9 years. If the Yankees are slipping out of the running, the Dodgers are already out apparently, and the Rangers have to be done after Prince, then who is left?

 

Could Detroit really jump back into the $200 million contract market after dumping Prince?

 

The Angels have to be tapped out from the looks of it. Phillies seems done blowing up their payroll as well.

 

Mets don't seem interested up that high, Cano's team had to beg them just for a sit down.

 

Would Washington risk a rift with Boras to sign Cano to a big time deal?

 

You may see some of those teams jump in on the lower level (5-6 years), but I think 7+ won't happen.

The problem is that someone has to be willing to offer him a big number for 6 to 9 years. If the Yankees are slipping out of the running, the Dodgers are already out apparently, and the Rangers have to be done after Prince, then who is left?

 

Could Detroit really jump back into the $200 million contract market after dumping Prince?

 

The Angels have to be tapped out from the looks of it. Phillies seems done blowing up their payroll as well.

 

Mets don't seem interested up that high, Cano's team had to beg them just for a sit down.

 

Would Washington risk a rift with Boras to sign Cano to a big time deal?

 

You may see some of those teams jump in on the lower level (5-6 years), but I think 7+ won't happen.

 

Agreed.

 

As I said in an earlier post, all the teams looking to compete already have second basemen or money allocated for other needs/unavailable. Cano is a free agent in the wrong market, at the wrong time.

Edited December 2, 201312 yr by woods of ypres

Agreed.

 

As I said in an earlier post, all the teams looking to compete already have second basemen or money contained. Cano is a free agent in the wrong market, at the wrong time.

And that may very well be the case.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see 1/30 or 1/35 and have him try it again next season.

If it comes to ST and he is still unsigned. I wouldn't be upset if the Sox try to snag him. 6/140, and front load it while the payroll is low? I'd do it.

Edited December 2, 201312 yr by woods of ypres

And that may very well be the case.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see 1/30 or 1/35 and have him try it again next season.

 

If Boras were his agent, this would make absolute sense. The free agent market next year actually looks worse than this one for position players. Boras has a history of telling guys to take the one year deal if the market isn't what they thought it would be.

 

If Boras were his agent, this would make absolute sense. The free agent market next year actually looks worse than this one for position players. Boras has a history of telling guys to take the one year deal if the market isn't what they thought it would be.

It's a bit of a risk, but it's a wise choice. No need to sign the biggest contract of your career in a bad environment. I don't think Boras is the only one who is smart enough to give that advice.

This is like my 4th projected lineup this year, but I'm bored in class and my mind keeps changing.

 

Moves:

 

Non Tender Tyler Flowers

 

Carlos Sanchez, + for John Jaso

 

Sign Matt Thornton 1yr 3 million

 

Hector Santiago, Jeff Keppinger, and cash for Brett Lawrie

 

Sign Gavin Floyd 1yr 2 million as insurance

 

Lineup

1. Jaso

2. Lawrie

3. Abreu

4. Dunn

5. Tank

6. Avi Garcia

7. De Aza

8. Alexei

9. Beckham

 

Bench

1. Phegley

2. Leury

3. Jordan

4. Gillaspie

 

Rotation

1. Sale

2. Quintana

3. Johnson

4. Danks

5. Rienzo

6. Floyd

 

Pen

1. Reed

2. Jones

3. Lindstrom

4. Thornton

5. Webb

6. Petricka

7. Veal

 

I think our lineup would be strongest with Jaso at the top. I like ADA at the bottom would add some pop and speed. We may have to add more to lure Lawrie away from Toronto.

Edited December 2, 201312 yr by professa

J.P Arencibia will be non-tendered or traded. Toronto already talking to one team about a trade. (He will either be traded or a free agent by tomorrow.)

Edited December 2, 201312 yr by Jose Abreu

J.P Arencibia will be non-tendered or traded. Toronto already talking to one team about a trade. (He will either be traded or a free agent by tomorrow.)

 

I think I've said this about 100 times today, but as a collective fan base, we should hope that this is entirely irrelevant to the White Sox. JP Arencibia is terrible and is not an upgrade over Tyler Flowers or Josh Phegley or anybody on the roster.

Now that the Yankees have Beltran, Ellsbury, Wells, Gardner, and Soriano, they'll probably make a trade. I'll gladly take Brett Gardner off their hands.