October 31, 201312 yr QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 08:43 AM) Skill vs. Will. In the normal everyday world, I'll take Will over Skill. If somone is willing to try and tries their hardest, you can usually give them the skills. In the MLB world, however, the Skill is so damn important. The percentage of baseball players (from little league on up) who make it to the big leagues is so tiny, it shows you how important skill is. Now, if some shlub gets in the bigs based on skill and under performs because of a lack of will, that usually gets taken care of by coaches and teammates. Now to contribute something related to this thread: Congrats to Jake and Matt. Peavy is a very good example of someone who has the skill and a s***load of will to go along with it. It takes skill and performance to win. There is definitely a place for sabermetrics, a big place, but there are also things you can't just throw into a computer program and have it spit out that gives you a total worth of a player. Intangibles do exist. You have to be able to look at it both ways.
October 31, 201312 yr QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) Many may not agree, but I am happy for Ryan Dempster, too. Meh, I just dont' care.
October 31, 201312 yr I'm happier for Juan Nieves than Peavy. Peavy is just a guy that was on the Sox for parts of 5 seasons. Injured a lot. No playoff teams.
October 31, 201312 yr QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 11:32 AM) Chances Nieves is the next Sox manager... Not as long as Don Cooper is in our organization.
October 31, 201312 yr Yeah, happy for you Jake and Matt. But I'm really happy that this season is totally over, the Sox are back in first, and the weather is finally cooling off.
October 31, 201312 yr Lotta guys say Hawk, What exactly is TWTW? I ask my golfing buddies "have you ever been shakin over a straight in 5 foot put for $50.00, and then wonder how in the hell you made that putt? That is TWTW."
October 31, 201312 yr Sorry, but it will aways and forever be f*** the boston red socks. Edited October 31, 201312 yr by Chet Kincaid
October 31, 201312 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 12:23 PM) TATBG - the ability to be good - is far more important than TWTW. If you give me the choice between taking 25 players who "just want to win" and 25 players "who are very good at baseball," I am going to take the 25 "who are very good at baseball." I'm also not sure why you put Thome in this fabled TWTW category since, by all accounts, he was an incredibly unclutch and bad player late in games. Pretty sure he only had 1 walk-off homer during his entire tenure with the Sox. I'm surprised people got on me about AJ and not Rowand. As I recall there used to be a lot of Rowand bashing. As far as Thome, he exuded leadership to me. Maybe I'm mistaken. AJP is all sorts of a pest to the opponent looking for any edge to WIN. Rowand gave up his body a lot. I'd take a Rowand over a DeAza or Rios so quickly it'd make your head spin. I'd take Thome over just about anybody who has worn a Sox jersey. If I'm wrong about him, then so be it. I guess an argument could be made he didn't have TWTW since he hit into the shift so much when he coulda gone the other way. Edited October 31, 201312 yr by greg775
October 31, 201312 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) I'm surprised people got on me about AJ and not Rowand. As I recall there used to be a lot of Rowand bashing. As far as Thome, he exuded leadership to me. Maybe I'm mistaken. AJP is all sorts of a pest to the opponent looking for any edge to WIN. Rowand gave up his body a lot. I'd take a Rowand over a DeAza or Rios so quickly it'd make your head spin. I'd take Thome over just about anybody who has worn a Sox jersey. If I'm wrong about him, then so be it. I guess an argument could be made he didn't have TWTW since he hit into the shift so much when he coulda gone the other way. People didn't bash Rowand, Crede, and Pierzynski so much as they got tired of people always equating them with the Sox winning. Those guys contributed, but the most important aspect of that team winning the World Series was the pitching. That offense actually kind of sucked, comparatively speaking, but that pitching staff was otherworldly good. It wouldn't look that good any more, but it was 8 years ago and offenses were still running hot.
October 31, 201312 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 02:14 PM) I'm surprised people got on me about AJ and not Rowand. As I recall there used to be a lot of Rowand bashing. As far as Thome, he exuded leadership to me. Maybe I'm mistaken. AJP is all sorts of a pest to the opponent looking for any edge to WIN. Rowand gave up his body a lot. I'd take a Rowand over a DeAza or Rios so quickly it'd make your head spin. I'd take Thome over just about anybody who has worn a Sox jersey. If I'm wrong about him, then so be it. I guess an argument could be made he didn't have TWTW since he hit into the shift so much when he coulda gone the other way. Way to ignore the post about the numerous choke jobs AJ has been a part of. didn't expect you to respond to that. he is also supposed to be an unlikable jackass. i guess thats TWTW.
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 07:41 PM) Apparently Jake Peavy bought one of te Boston Duck Boats today. Glad to see the money he "earned" from the White Sox is being well spent.
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Way to ignore the post about the numerous choke jobs AJ has been a part of. didn't expect you to respond to that. he is also supposed to be an unlikable jackass. i guess thats TWTW. I don't really care about the jackass part if the player can back it up. I've heard Moustakas is a dick, which if true, is unacceptable to a team since he hasn't backed it up. You can't blame the choke jobs on AJ. Winning a ring (doesn't he have 2?) takes away any of that stuff.
November 3, 201312 yr What happened to matt thorton, anyway? I didn't see him make one pitch. Edited November 3, 201312 yr by MAX
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) Sorry, but it will aways and forever be f*** the boston red socks. Best post of the thread.
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 09:54 PM) What happened to matt thorton, anyway? I didn't see him make one pitch. I don't think he made the playoff roster
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) Way to ignore the post about the numerous choke jobs AJ has been a part of. didn't expect you to respond to that. he is also supposed to be an unlikable jackass. i guess thats TWTW. lol. I wish CWS hadn't said what he said about greg and ron being the same guy. I wonder. 1 syllable name followed by 3 numbers. Edited November 3, 201312 yr by Jordan4life
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 09:00 PM) I don't really care about the jackass part if the player can back it up. I've heard Moustakas is a dick, which if true, is unacceptable to a team since he hasn't backed it up. You can't blame the choke jobs on AJ. Winning a ring (doesn't he have 2?) takes away any of that stuff. This is the dumbest f***ing thing you've ever said.
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (The Gooch @ Nov 3, 2013 -> 12:24 AM) I don't think he made the playoff roster lol, good trade.
November 3, 201312 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 2, 2013 -> 09:00 PM) doesn't he have 2? No, what other team would he have gotten one with? Minnesota no, the Giants no, the White Sox 1, the Rangers no.
November 4, 201312 yr No, what other team would he have gotten one with? Minnesota no, the Giants no, the White Sox 1, the Rangers no. AJ's teams have gone 34-50 the last three Septembers.
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