Princess Dye Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Unpopular news that is good http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/...w-spending-plan Organizational health comes foremost. Plus there's a little nugget in there alluding to 2015 being...a target for expenditures. Finally a clear plan (as far as overall org) Edited December 12, 2013 by Jose Paniagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Sounds like a great strategy. Hold payroll down and fill the roster with high potential cost controlled players and then have the ability to spend eventually to add a missing piece. The Sox will be in great shape next season to bid on Headley or Sandoval if they feel the rest of the roster is in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) Sounds like a great strategy. Hold payroll down and fill the roster with high potential cost controlled players and then have the ability to spend eventually to add a missing piece. The Sox will be in great shape next season to bid on Headley or Sandoval if they feel the rest of the roster is in order. Could not agree more. Let it ride this year, see where you are at developmentally on all of these players. Right now, I'm hopeful for about 75-80 wins while getting extended looks at Semien, Sanchez, and L. Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Cutting 15 million off our spending should never be considered a good thing but it's understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevtrem Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 If we could just some how some way find a quality catcher, I like our chances going into to 2015. We have Dunn, Lindstrom, Konerko, coming off the books which is probably like 17-20 million. Considering we are cutting payroll this year to what seems like mid 80s maybe 90 million, if we win more than we should say 80 ish games, we could see that payroll maybe creep back up to the 110 neighborhood. That could gives us something in the neighborhood of 40 million dollars to play around with. Enough to compete for Headley or Sandoval, and maybe enough to bring a veteran right handed complement to Sale and Quintana. Right handed starters like Shields, Bailey, Masterson, Scherzer are all free agents, heck even Peavy if the price is right. A lot can happen between now and next offseason, but at least for now things dont look so bleak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 12:24 PM) Could not agree more. Let it ride this year, see where you are at developmentally on all of these players. Right now, I'm hopeful for about 75-80 wins while getting extended looks at Semien, Sanchez, and L. Garcia. I think 80 is a bit much, but definitely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 So this is a punt and a major rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) So this is a punt and a major rebuild Major rebuilds only last a year? I'd call it a transitional year. Signing Abreu and adding a legit leadoff hitter(plenty of time to add more pieces) could have been their definition of not punting. Edited December 12, 2013 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 To be completely transparent though, they are leaving out the additional ~$25M they are set to receive in the national TV deal, that amount alone should pay for all the amateur signings they need to do for the upcoming season. I still approve of the practice, as there is no need to go out and throw money at someone when it doesn't make sense, but they are banking some money, either to use for a FA, take on salary in a deal or to payoff their long term obligations (deferred salaries). That is unless of course they use $20M of the $25M to post a bid for Tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 12:52 PM) I think 80 is a bit much, but definitely agree. I think replacing PK's ailing bat with Abreu and upgrading the OF defense alone has probably gotten us there. I see this team as a potential third place team in the AL Central. The biggest question I have is who is the guy on the team that will get in peoples faces and hold them accountable, I am not sure we have that guy on this roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) Cutting 15 million off our spending should never be considered a good thing but it's understandable.Sox shed 28 million simply by trading peavy and rios. we've already been cutting payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I like the idea. Right now, this team is better than last year's team, and it's apparent that they are going to continue to improve. I don't view this as a major rebuild at all. The article clearly states that if they are in contention at the trading deadline, there will be money available. I don't think this team will be in contention, but add two more pieces this off season (catcher, 3B), and it's a different story. I look at 2014 as a transition year where they will be continuing to improve while checking out some of the young talent out there. 2015 looks like it could be a great year for White Sox baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) I think replacing PK's ailing bat with Abreu and upgrading the OF defense alone has probably gotten us there. I see this team as a potential third place team in the AL Central. The biggest question I have is who is the guy on the team that will get in peoples faces and hold them accountable, I am not sure we have that guy on this roster. Adam Spanky Eaton...The new Dustin Pedrioia....sounds like he could end up being that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) I think replacing PK's ailing bat with Abreu and upgrading the OF defense alone has probably gotten us there. I see this team as a potential third place team in the AL Central. The biggest question I have is who is the guy on the team that will get in peoples faces and hold them accountable, I am not sure we have that guy on this roster. Eaton could be that guy from what I've read. Maybe not a get-in-your-face way, but in a follow-my-lead way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 07:10 PM) I like the idea. Right now, this team is better than last year's team, and it's apparent that they are going to continue to improve. I don't view this as a major rebuild at all. The article clearly states that if they are in contention at the trading deadline, there will be money available. I don't think this team will be in contention, but add two more pieces this off season (catcher, 3B), and it's a different story. I look at 2014 as a transition year where they will be continuing to improve while checking out some of the young talent out there. 2015 looks like it could be a great year for White Sox baseball. Last year's team was significantly better on paper coming into the season than this year's team will be (barring a few starting-caliber acquisitions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 They'll magically have money if they are contending though. Maybe Tanaka doesn't get posted until July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:13 PM) They'll magically have money if they are contending though. Maybe Tanaka doesn't get posted until July. It won't be magic. The article said there will be money available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) Last year's team was significantly better on paper coming into the season than this year's team will be (barring a few starting-caliber acquisitions). No, you're right. I should have been more specific. I meant that based on what sort of production came out of last year's team, I'm more comfortable with this team. Maybe because my expectations are more grounded, but I feel that there will be much more energy with this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:10 PM) Adam Spanky Eaton...The new Dustin Pedrioia....sounds like he could end up being that guy. Possibly, but I think it is really hard for a rookie to be that guy and not be cast as the odd ball. The culture of the Sox clubhouse seems so laid back, maybe thats just perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 01:12 PM) Last year's team was significantly better on paper coming into the season than this year's team will be (barring a few starting-caliber acquisitions). Last years team totally forgot how to play defense and run the bases, and half the team didn't start hitting until June and PK never did. If that were not the case I think last years team would have won 80+ games. The team wasn't as bad as the record indicates, they just did a lot of bad things a lot of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Seriously though, I want to hear from people what would kind of moves would put the sox in contention for 2014. I hear people complaining and such but I would rather have examples than just BMWs (b****ers, Whiners, Moaners) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 It's convenient to have money available if they are in contention when there are no players to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) It's convenient to have money available if they are in contention when there are no players to buy. What does this even mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 02:48 PM) What does this even mean? How many quality free agents are available in July? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 02:59 PM) How many quality free agents are available in July? None. But money can be spent other ways. By, say, trading for a guy who has a few years left on a higher contract. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Everyone, including Rick Hahn, knows that there are no free agents waiting to be signed in July. He's talking about spending money by trading and committing to contracts that they're not in a position to right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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