Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 10:16 AM) I can't recall that ever happening in baseball. It doesn't. The players don't want to have to do that, and in MLB the union is strong enough for all contracts to be guaranteed. Sale could offer up a couple years of FA in exchange for making those last couple option years into guaranteed years with more money and the Sox might bite on that at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 7m #Yankees #dodgers #Cubs were finalist for Tanaka. #Yankees went from 6 yr offer to 7 in past few days, told without that could not do deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) And after year 1 and 2 it looked like Dice-K would, and then...... Its a large contract and i am glad the Sox didnt try to outbid this offer. Of course, that's a possibility as well. Yes, all things considered, I'm happy the Sox didn't end up with him at this price. My final offer was actually really similar to this, but I could never have fully guaranteed a 7th year to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) Of course, that's a possibility as well. Yes, all things considered, I'm happy the Sox didn't end up with him at this price. My final offer was actually really similar to this, but I could never have fully guaranteed a 7th year to this. If history is any indicator, the last three to four years are going to be brutal for the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Bruce Levin and Kaplin must be on suicide watch over the Cubby blue not getting Tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 7m #Yankees #dodgers #Cubs were finalist for Tanaka. #Yankees went from 6 yr offer to 7 in past few days, told without that could not do deal I am just assuming the Sox were as well, but there's no difference between 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 30th in a free agent negotiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Where's that poster who yelled at everyone for not choosing the Dodgers as favorites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 After the New York taxes, I wonder how much more Tanaka will actually receive, compared to the $120 Million which many of us conjectured was being offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) Bruce Levin and Kaplin must be on suicide watch over the Cubby blue not getting Tanaka. And Loxas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) I am just assuming the Sox were as well, but there's no difference between 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 30th in a free agent negotiation. I wonder if the Dodgers and Cubs also went to a 7th year, because I am guessing the Sox would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) And Loxas. He's going to say "I SAID YANKEES OR CUBS THEREFOR I'M RIGHT GO CUBBIES!!1!!1!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:08 AM) What fans were holding out hope for was that the luxury tax would impact how the Dodgers and Yankees do business. It obviously does not. What this shows is that the posting cost Tanaka's Japanese team $30M that ended up in Tanaka's pocket anyway and wasted a lot of other peoples time. No. The rumored contract was upward of $140 million all along, luxury tax or not. Which definitely puts him out of Sox range. The only unknown factor was how much Tanaka values other factors in the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) You can spread out 35 million over as many years as you like, but it matters to a team like the Sox and obviously doesn't to the Yankees. I spread out the 35 million over the course of the contract and added the posting fee, and as I pointed out, it wasn't much different annually averaged. Obviously I am not adding interest made on money sitting elsewhere, but rates are pretty low right now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years that could be very different. 7 years is scary, but so was 6 and 5 and 4 and 3 for that kind of money, but if he pitches well, the 7th year is irrelevant, it won't go that far. He will be re-negotiating after 4. Edited January 22, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 It is really a 4 yr deal in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) After the New York taxes, I wonder how much more Tanaka will actually receive, compared to the $120 Million which many of us conjectured was being offered. Aren't Cali and Illinois both pretty high in taxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) Aren't Cali and Illinois both pretty high in taxes? And you only pay that tax rate when you're playing the game in that state, road tips get counted at the local state's rate, so there's lots of gimmicks going on and that's only a small portion of the difference in these deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:25 AM) It is really a 4 yr deal in reality. No, it's important not to look at it like this. It CAN be a 4 year deal, but the decision is totally up to Tanaka. This is not the same as the Cutler deal (or any NFL deal) were the team can cut their losses after that if they want. The Yankees can never cut Tanaka loose. Only Tanaka himself can cut himself loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Here's something we can all agree on- f*** the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) I wonder if the Dodgers and Cubs also went to a 7th year, because I am guessing the Sox would not. And I am more than OK with that. Honestly, we were never front-runners. There was a chance we could sell him on something that wasn't money, wasn't the best chance to win a World Series, wasn't the "west coast" etc. That was our only chance. At the end of the day it looks like he went for biggest contract, which means we never had a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:27 AM) Here's something we can all agree on- f*** the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 04:25 PM) It is really a 4 yr deal in reality. It's a 4 year deal if he's good. If he sucks it'sa 7 year deal and then lol at the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So is Hahn gonna comment on this or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) No, it's important not to look at it like this. It CAN be a 4 year deal, but the decision is totally up to Tanaka. This is not the same as the Cutler deal (or any NFL deal) were the team can cut their losses after that if they want. The Yankees can never cut Tanaka loose. Only Tanaka himself can cut himself loose. If he sucks it's a 7 year deal. If he is awesome, it's a 4 year deal. If his performance is mixed, it depends on how good he was in 2016-2017. What is funny is all the speculation, all the fake information by supposed insiders who make their living being insiders, and in the end it winds up being almost exactly what was predicted when it first came out he may be posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 7/155 with a player opt-out, plus another 20M to Japan? LOL, have fun with that NYY. You can have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) I spread out the 35 million over the course of the contract and added the posting fee, and as I pointed out, it wasn't much different annually averaged. Obviously I am not adding interest made on money sitting elsewhere, but rates are pretty low right now. Maybe in 4 or 5 years that could be very different. 7 years is scary, but so was 6 and 5 and 4 and 3 for that kind of money, but if he pitches well, the 7th year is irrelevant, it won't go that far. He will be re-negotiating after 4. Brutal either way, but you can only push so far. You assume that he pitches well enough to want to re-negotiate a contract that pays him like the a top five pitcher in all of baseball from his age 29-32 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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