flavum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) Are you people seriously watching games and looking at your watch wishing it was over 20 minutes sooner? It's not the length of the game. It's the pace. If there happens to be more challenges than usual, fine, it happens. But when a pitcher is taking 30 seconds between pitches with nobody on base, or a hitter is stepping out of the box between pitches with nobody on base, that's got to stop. Because it makes the game really boring. Edited June 2, 2014 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) Are you people seriously watching games and looking at your watch wishing it was over 20 minutes sooner? There's a huge difference between a game going 3:30+ and 2:45. But even so, it's boring as hell to watch guys stand around all game and delay the game on purpose. A nice pace of play makes things a lot more interesting. QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) Pitchers- stay on the mound Hitters- stay in the box Call high strikes. There's no way in hell you're going to get strikes called letter high, or "at the arm pits." You want 1-0 games, you'll have them every game if that's the case. The game has changed, guys are throwing harder. You simply can't hit fastballs up there, it's much harder than hitting a low pitch. Guys are striking out enough right now, and scoring is down. That's not the problem. It's the first 2 things you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:01 PM) Are you people seriously watching games and looking at your watch wishing it was over 20 minutes sooner? I am watching games with going to work the next day in mind, and thinking, do I want to stay up for the last two innings because I have to be up early? Or should I just go to bed and check the score in the morning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) There's a huge difference between a game going 3:30+ and 2:45. But even so, it's boring as hell to watch guys stand around all game and delay the game on purpose. A nice pace of play makes things a lot more interesting. There's no way in hell you're going to get strikes called letter high, or "at the arm pits." You want 1-0 games, you'll have them every game if that's the case. The game has changed, guys are throwing harder. You simply can't hit fastballs up there, it's much harder than hitting a low pitch. Guys are striking out enough right now, and scoring is down. That's not the problem. It's the first 2 things you mentioned. That's fair. I wasn't really meaning up in the pits, but at the belt or a little higher, a lot of times they're called balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Watch Boston pitchers pitch and then tell me the game's pace is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) That's fair. I wasn't really meaning up in the pits, but at the belt or a little higher, a lot of times they're called balls. Gotcha. I've just heard so many people quote the old "arm pits to knees" without really thinking about how ridiculous that would look in today's game. I'm game for about one ball above the belt. I think that's workable. So many hitters b**** about balls right at the belt called strikes, which is just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 04:17 PM) Gotcha. I've just heard so many people quote the old "arm pits to knees" without really thinking about how ridiculous that would look in today's game. I'm game for about one ball above the belt. I think that's workable. So many hitters b**** about balls right at the belt called strikes, which is just ridiculous. I hate that, a belt high pitch is a meatball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Back to attendance - it's all about season tickets. I just watched the highlights of the Yankees game tonight. Announced attendance was 41000+ (85 percent of capacity according to mlb.com). No way there was more than 32000 there (approx 65 percent of capacity). It would be interesting to know the season ticket numbers for all of the teams. I bet actual attendance doesn't go much over the season ticket numbers on most days because of the secondary ticket market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) They don't care about the guy that goes to a game here and there, it affects the season ticket holders greatly though as well as tv viewership. They have to make it where the expectation is to get the game over in 2:45 or less Tv likes longer games. More ads to sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) It has not worked from day 1, since Sox announced the dynamic pricing policy. Cubs/sox went from $35 to $19 this year. The system does work. Just not always in your favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 12:54 AM) Back to attendance - it's all about season tickets. I just watched the highlights of the Yankees game tonight. Announced attendance was 41000+ (85 percent of capacity according to mlb.com). No way there was more than 32000 there (approx 65 percent of capacity). It would be interesting to know the season ticket numbers for all of the teams. I bet actual attendance doesn't go much over the season ticket numbers on most days because of the secondary ticket market. I know that Dodger stadium is huge, but it didnt look like many people were there last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 07:37 AM) I know that Dodger stadium is huge, but it didnt look like many people were there last night Officially 37,336, one of their smallest crowds of the year. Capacity is somewhere around 53k or 54k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Tv likes longer games. More ads to sell Except that the amount of commercial time during a game varies only with the number of mid-inning pitching changes. Assuming the same number of pitching changes, a 3½ hour game has the same amount of commercial time as a 2½ hour game. TV should like shorter games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 07:10 AM) Tv likes longer games. More ads to sell Only if there are more breaks. More time between pitches benefits no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Or more pitching changes/overmanaging... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 09:02 AM) Only if there are more breaks. More time between pitches benefits no one. This mound conference sponsored by....... Kids come meet southpaw while Adam eaton takes his helmet off between pitches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 18,803 and 18,424 so far this week. It has to be 25,000+ for Sale/Scherzer tomorrow night and the White Sox with a chance to cut the lead down to 1 1/2 games...doesn't it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 06:45 AM) 18,803 and 18,424 so far this week. It has to be 25,000+ for Sale/Scherzer tomorrow night and the White Sox with a chance to cut the lead down to 1 1/2 games...doesn't it??? Maybe on a Thursday night, with kids out of school, but I doubt it. What are the advance sales? Nobody's going to walk up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2014 -> 11:58 PM) Maybe on a Thursday night, with kids out of school, but I doubt it. What are the advance sales? Nobody's going to walk up. It should be a LOT of walk up...we've had crowds earlier in the year in only the 10-11,000 range, so the season ticket base for those games logically has to be around 8,500 to 9,500 before any additional ticket is sold. Edited June 12, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 12:45 AM) 18,803 and 18,424 so far this week. It has to be 25,000+ for Sale/Scherzer tomorrow night and the White Sox with a chance to cut the lead down to 1 1/2 games...doesn't it??? Pretty piss poor performance by the Tigers fans, usually they provide a jump in attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 K Zone deals should help. Not to mention that Chris is a draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 06:42 AM) Pretty piss poor performance by the Tigers fans, usually they provide a jump in attendance. Seems the Braves-like apathy is starting to set in...apathy, a bit. Especially with the current Tigers' team on a 6-16 run, Verlander looking nothing like an ace and Scherzer looking merely human...on the other hand, how exciting is it when you're team's 27-12 and has the best record in the majors and just mowing down opponents and the division lead is already a full 7 games on May 18th and 19th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 There were a s*** ton of Tigers fans there last night. It was us with the bad performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 These 18k games used to be the 24k games before the season ticket holders dropped. Visually, the stadium looks slightly less full than usual but not as drastic as those #s seem to suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My_Sox_Summer Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 08:18 AM) There were a s*** ton of Tigers fans there last night. It was us with the bad performance How many is a s**ton exactly? It was less than normal. I am guessing they were scared off by the rain. Attendance last night was awful. Tonight better be better. Sox played awesome and exciting ball last night. Plus....Kate Upton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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