Balta1701 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ May 1, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) yeah.... he wasn't that good of an outfielder period. I think it was always understood he was going to be the next dh. They've done him no favors with the number of position switches he's been put through. With his arm he could still well be an average OF but switching positions every year or so is a recipe for a guy to never get good at a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hope I'm not hijacking the thread here but it's on-topic.. Are there any statistical studies that support the need to consider handedness in line up construction? I get the concept, but I have to wonder whether it is an overrated consideration and/or if teams are ridiculously overpaying just to have a "power lefty" in their lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ May 1, 2014 -> 04:17 PM) Hope I'm not hijacking the thread here but it's on-topic.. Are there any statistical studies that support the need to consider handedness in line up construction? I get the concept, but I have to wonder whether it is an overrated consideration and/or if teams are ridiculously overpaying just to have a "power lefty" in their lineup. Actually, it was discussed on here a little bit. Basically, the most effective lineup is one that alternates between left and right throughout the lineup (much like the Sox). I don't know if or how much of that is affected by starting pitchers, but it wears out bullpens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 1, 2014 -> 09:19 PM) Actually, it was discussed on here a little bit. Basically, the most effective lineup is one that alternates between left and right throughout the lineup (much like the Sox). I don't know if or how much of that is affected by starting pitchers, but it wears out bullpens. there was a great talk even longer than a little while back. but I don't remember a study ever being done. baseball experts were the one who thought of it. I remember a long time ago I believe in the 90's where we were all righty except 1 hitter. the other team just threw lefty at us. do you remember when we had, what something like 3 or 4 lefties pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 1, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) Dunn could be back or he might not be or he might be traded mid year. I feel very strongly about that Gutsy. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ May 1, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) there was a great talk even longer than a little while back. but I don't remember a study ever being done. baseball experts were the one who thought of it. I remember a long time ago I believe in the 90's where we were all righty except 1 hitter. the other team just threw lefty at us. do you remember when we had, what something like 3 or 4 lefties pitching. That was the lineup that Ozzie would always throw against Johan Santana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 1, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) That was the lineup that Ozzie would always throw against Johan Santana. there you go ..... it a bite getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashFan Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I think Dunn is gone at the deadline for prospects or pitching. I think the organization is soured enough on the whole experience with Adam that they won't keep him around another year no matter what he does the rest of this one. I think we have our 2015 DH in the making with Tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 1, 2014 -> 09:37 PM) Gutsy. I like it. I am not afraid to take a stand or lay down whichever the case may be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 QUOTE (DashFan @ May 1, 2014 -> 11:19 PM) I think Dunn is gone at the deadline for prospects or pitching. I think the organization is soured enough on the whole experience with Adam that they won't keep him around another year no matter what he does the rest of this one. I think we have our 2015 DH in the making with Tank. I respectfully disagree. Dunn is a class act, his return on the money invested may not have been rewarding, but he provides more to the org..... look at what he did, by picking up the check a couple of weeks ago. sorry, but I can't remember why, but I remembered the gesture. that is but 1 example of what he has done... there are a couple more, but I am sure you got my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 The other factor here is that Dunn would likely give the Sox a discount, given how badly he played for them over a significant part of his current contract. Which might make his next contract a bargain, believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 QUOTE (VAfan @ May 1, 2014 -> 07:06 PM) The other factor here is that Dunn would likely give the Sox a discount, given how badly he played for them over a significant part of his current contract. Which might make his next contract a bargain, believe it or not. The problem with that is, even if Dunn has a better year than te last couple, he's not getting much money anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 2, 2014 -> 12:23 AM) The problem with that is, even if Dunn has a better year than te last couple, he's not getting much money anyway. \I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities that Dunn is back with the Sox. But, it won't be at $14M a year nor do I see him getting that kind of money anywhere. I can see Viciedo at DH but he can play the OF too. He has a strong arm and if not moved around all the time can learn his position better. He won't be a Torii Hunter though by any means. If he goes to DH in 2015 it means the Sox promote a minor league OF prospect to play RF. Interesting decisions to be made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Dunn could be back or he might not be or he might be traded mid year. I feel very strongly about that Or both. He could be traded and be back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Dunn is one slump, something that is guaranteed to happen at some point, from being the most useless human being in Chicago. He won't be back. Even if he has a great year, I'm sure he's just as sick of Sox fans as Sox fans are sick of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 QUOTE (VAfan @ May 1, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) The other factor here is that Dunn would likely give the Sox a discount, given how badly he played for them over a significant part of his current contract. Which might make his next contract a bargain, believe it or not. I really dont see how you could deduce that, these guys are trying to get good paychecks. Goodwill is far overstated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Adam Dunn shoud pay the White Sox to let him play for the team next year. What are the Sox gonna do when PK and Dunn are gone next year when someone hits a homerun? High five?? They just shake hands like "gentlemen" standing on the 18th green after a nice round of golf... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 2, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) Or both. He could be traded and be back next year. Take over his salary, maybe a prospect and a player to be named later. He would be the fifth guy in MLB history to be traded for himself. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 2, 2014 -> 02:39 PM) I really dont see how you could deduce that, these guys are trying to get good paychecks. Goodwill is far overstated This. These guys know what the other players at their position make, are competitive, and want the best paychecks. Just like real people with ordinary jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 2, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) I really dont see how you could deduce that, these guys are trying to get good paychecks. Goodwill is far overstated Although it seemingly entered into the Peavy contract he signed with the White Sox...at least to an extent. Different circumstances entirely with Dunn, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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