You saw Rangel Ravelo, the first baseman who couldn't stick at third, play shortstop?

Surely he must be mistaken. Baseball Reference doesn't list Ravelo playing SS this season, or at any point in his career for that matter.

 

To all that asked about the ss I saw on the vid. first I would like to thank all for not flaming me

when you had the chance for a stupid mistake I did or should I say saw.

 

I looked and saw through out our minor league system and the only person I came close too is

Cleulius Rondon, I was totally wrong on RR and I feel like a complete idiot. this also prove that

you guys really know our systems....... good catch on my mistake.

Any highlights to the convo?

 

We were discussing prospect with no "plus tools", but is still a solid player. I said that Rangel Ravelo immediately came to mind for me. He said he would consider his hit tool a plus, and some think he can develop his power in to a plus as well.

 

Said he thought Trey had some raw skills, but his glove is behind his bat at 3B.

 

I then asked him about if Hawkins may have finally turned a corner this year, and if he could actually regain some of that polish he lost from scouts. He said he saw Hawkins 6 weeks ago and didn't see anything to indicate that he figured it out at the plate. Said scouts don't seem to thrilled about him, but being only 20 and rebounding from such a bad season is a good step. Said he is still an easy out though. Said his raw skills though make scouts still believe it's hard to give up on him. He also said he thinks a move to Birmingham may help Hawkins simply because of the park factors. BIR is very pitcher friendly, W-S is very hitter friendly. Thinks a bigger field will make Hawkins tone down his big HR hacks. He said he thinks Hawkins fundamental issue at the plate is that he doesn't recognize the spin of the ball yet. He misses badly on breaking pitches.

 

We also talked about how the Sox seem to never have a "no-s***" offensive prospect, at least not since Beckham and that didn't work out too well so far. He said a scout told him that the Sox seem to draft hitters with really good tools, but they never seem to improve within the system. They come in with great raw skills, but those skills stay raw.

 

We ended our talk with me telling him that the Sox should send Thome over to W-S to fix Hawkins once he is done fixing Davidson in Charlotte. He enjoyed it.

We were discussing prospect with no "plus tools", but is still a solid player. I said that Rangel Ravelo immediately came to mind for me. He said he would consider his hit tool a plus, and some think he can develop his power in to a plus as well.

 

Said he thought Trey had some raw skills, but his glove is behind his bat at 3B.

 

I then asked him about if Hawkins may have finally turned a corner this year, and if he could actually regain some of that polish he lost from scouts. He said he saw Hawkins 6 weeks ago and didn't see anything to indicate that he figured it out at the plate. Said scouts don't seem to thrilled about him, but being only 20 and rebounding from such a bad season is a good step. Said he is still an easy out though. Said his raw skills though make scouts still believe it's hard to give up on him. He also said he thinks a move to Birmingham may help Hawkins simply because of the park factors. BIR is very pitcher friendly, W-S is very hitter friendly. Thinks a bigger field will make Hawkins tone down his big HR hacks. He said he thinks Hawkins fundamental issue at the plate is that he doesn't recognize the spin of the ball yet. He misses badly on breaking pitches.

 

We also talked about how the Sox seem to never have a "no-s***" offensive prospect, at least not since Beckham and that didn't work out too well so far. He said a scout told him that the Sox seem to draft hitters with really good tools, but they never seem to improve within the system. They come in with great raw skills, but those skills stay raw.

 

We ended our talk with me telling him that the Sox should send Thome over to W-S to fix Hawkins once he is done fixing Davidson in Charlotte. He enjoyed it.

 

That's interesting, thanks for that.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember fangraphs doing an article on Hawkins in the offseason or perhaps late last season that highlighted the fact that Hawkins can indeed hit breaking balls. It was fastballs that he had a higher swing and miss percentage on. They did mention his spin recognition needed a lot of work though. Is my memory just completely failing me?

We were discussing prospect with no "plus tools", but is still a solid player. I said that Rangel Ravelo immediately came to mind for me. He said he would consider his hit tool a plus, and some think he can develop his power in to a plus as well.

 

Said he thought Trey had some raw skills, but his glove is behind his bat at 3B.

 

I then asked him about if Hawkins may have finally turned a corner this year, and if he could actually regain some of that polish he lost from scouts. He said he saw Hawkins 6 weeks ago and didn't see anything to indicate that he figured it out at the plate. Said scouts don't seem to thrilled about him, but being only 20 and rebounding from such a bad season is a good step. Said he is still an easy out though. Said his raw skills though make scouts still believe it's hard to give up on him. He also said he thinks a move to Birmingham may help Hawkins simply because of the park factors. BIR is very pitcher friendly, W-S is very hitter friendly. Thinks a bigger field will make Hawkins tone down his big HR hacks. He said he thinks Hawkins fundamental issue at the plate is that he doesn't recognize the spin of the ball yet. He misses badly on breaking pitches.

 

We also talked about how the Sox seem to never have a "no-s***" offensive prospect, at least not since Beckham and that didn't work out too well so far. He said a scout told him that the Sox seem to draft hitters with really good tools, but they never seem to improve within the system. They come in with great raw skills, but those skills stay raw.

 

We ended our talk with me telling him that the Sox should send Thome over to W-S to fix Hawkins once he is done fixing Davidson in Charlotte. He enjoyed it.

 

 

this was very informative thanks !!!

my list based on my wishful thinking.

 

1. Micah Johnson - what is there not to like

 

2. Tyler Danish - improving fast

 

3. Trey Michalczewski - continues to shine

 

4. Carlos Sanchez - this is based on my guess and what the stats says

 

5. Tim Anderson - hitting improving, defense ???

 

6. Francellis Montas - i like his makeup

 

7. Brad Goldberg - same as #6, may be the 2 or 3 player to the majors

 

8. Matt Davidson - at this time, needs head screw on right

 

9. Courtney Hawkins - lets see how this yr develops

 

10. Andrew Mitchell - came out of no where to shine

 

Cleuluis Rondon + Kevin Vance + Rangel Ravelo are too close to call.

 

I am hoping that this might be a good chance to redo the end of the yr

top 10 prospect that someone started last yr.

 

1. Micah Johnson >>>> C. Rodon

 

2. Tyler Danish >>>>> T. Anderson

 

3. Trey Michalczewski > F Montas

 

4. Carlos Sanchez >>> M. Johnson

 

5. Tim Anderson >>>> C Hawkins

 

6. Francellis Montas >> T Danish

 

7. Brad Goldberg >>> S, Adams

 

8. Matt Davidson >>> C. Sanchez

 

9. Courtney Hawkins > N. Sanburn

 

10. Andrew Mitchell >> Bassitt (my 2nd favorite)

 

worth noting. Adolfo, Ravelo, Michalczewski

Edited October 19, 201411 yr by LDF

I am hoping that this might be a good chance to redo the end of the yr

top 10 prospect that someone started last yr.

 

1. Micah Johnson >>>> C. Rodon

 

2. Tyler Danish >>>>> T. Anderson

 

3. Trey Michalczewski > F Montas

 

4. Carlos Sanchez >>> M. Johnson

 

5. Tim Anderson >>>> C Hawkins

 

6. Francellis Montas >> T Danish

 

7. Brad Goldberg >>> S, Adams

 

8. Matt Davidson >>> C. Sanchez

 

9. Courtney Hawkins > N. Sanburn

 

10. Andrew Mitchell >> Bassitt (my 2nd favorite)

 

worth noting. Adolfo, Ravelo, Michalczewski

Good idea and nice list. I'll give it a go...

 

1- C.Rodon

2- T.Anderson

3- F.Montas

4- M.Johnson

5- R.Ravelo

6- T.Danish

7- C.Hawkins

8- C.Sanchez

9- S.Adams

10- M.Davidson

1. Rodon

2. Anderson

3. Johnson

4. Montas (I love Micah, and wanna see Montas repeat before I put him higher. If he repeats I could see him push Anderson for 2)

5. Danish

6. Adams

7. Hawkins

8. Bassitt (Can't ignore what he's done as a starter the last 2 years in the minors)

9. Davidson

10. Trey

 

I like Bassitt, have for years, was even ranking him before many others. That said, I don't see him as a T10 guy.

 

Without giving it much thought or research, my top prospects list right now would be something like this:

 

1. Rodon

2. Anderson

3. Johnson

4. Hawkins

5. Montas

6. Adams

7. Danish

8. Sanchez* (if still eligible, haven't checked if he is)

9. Davidson

10. Ravelo

11. Michalczewski

12. Beck

13. Adolfo

14. Bassitt

15. Sanburn

16. Smith

17. Thompson

18. Rondon

19. Snodgress

20. Recchia

21. Engel

22. May

23. Barnum

24. Fry

25. Saladino

 

Just out: Guerrero, Coats, Martinez, Olacio, Wheeler, Dysktra, Peter

My Current Top 10:

 

1. Carlos Rodon LHP: Should be everybody's consensus #1 prospect.

2. Tim Anderson SS: Will be a top 50 prospect on many lists.

3. Francellis Montas RHP: #1 starter upside, relief prospect floor. Will be on many top 100 lists.

4. Micah Johnson 2B: 80 speed, LHB at 2B. Defensive and injury issues but very high upside. Will be on top 100 lists.

5. Tyler Danish RHP: Had a very impressive year. Many think he could end up in bullpen because of pitching motion.

6. Courtney Hawkins OF: Bounced back this past year. Birmingham will be an interesting challenge.

7. Spencer Adams RHP: 2nd rd pick. 49 K/5 BB in short season. Top of rotation starter upside.

8. Matt Davidson 3B: Horrible season. Still a very high ceiling though.

9. Trey Michalczewski 3B: Very important season for Trey's prospect status next year.

10. Carlos Sanchez INF: Not a terribly high ceiling but very solid MI option.

 

Just Missed: Micker Adolfo, Rangel Ravelo, Chris Bassitt, Cleuelis Rondon, and Chris Beck.

My Current Top 10:

 

1. Carlos Rodon LHP: Should be everybody's consensus #1 prospect.

2. Tim Anderson SS: Will be a top 50 prospect on many lists.

3. Francellis Montas RHP: #1 starter upside, relief prospect floor. Will be on many top 100 lists.

4. Micah Johnson 2B: 80 speed, LHB at 2B. Defensive and injury issues but very high upside. Will be on top 100 lists.

5. Tyler Danish RHP: Had a very impressive year. Many think he could end up in bullpen because of pitching motion.

6. Courtney Hawkins OF: Bounced back this past year. Birmingham will be an interesting challenge.

7. Spencer Adams RHP: 2nd rd pick. 49 K/5 BB in short season. Top of rotation starter upside.

8. Matt Davidson 3B: Horrible season. Still a very high ceiling though.

9. Trey Michalczewski 3B: Very important season for Trey's prospect status next year.

10. Carlos Sanchez INF: Not a terribly high ceiling but very solid MI option.

 

Just Missed: Micker Adolfo, Rangel Ravelo, Chris Bassitt, Cleuelis Rondon, and Chris Beck.

 

This is probably my same exact list too.

All of those lists are pretty spot on, IMO. Only gripe I would have is Roostifier hanging #5 on Ravelo, which seems too aggressive to me. But, aside from that, seems like we're all on the same page.

Assuming they sign:

 

1. Rodon

2. Anderson

3. Hawkins

4. M. Johnson

5. Sanchez

6. Beck

7. Montas

8. Danish

9. Michalczewski

10. E. Johnson or M. Davidson, with the other at 11 and both with a chance to bounce back.

 

For now i'll treat Adams like most treated Danish last year - lots of potential, too early to make the list.

 

Not much has changed since no one really busted out in the second half. Adams is really the standout post-ASB performance.

 

1. Rodon

2. Anderson

3. M. Johnson

4. Hawkins

5. Adams

6. Danish

7. Montas

8. Sanchez

9. Michalczewski

10. Davidson

 

Beck, Rondon, Bassitt and Thompson are probably next on the list.

1. Rodon

2. Anderson

3. Montas

4. Danish

5. Micah

6. Adams

7. Hawkins

8. Davidson

9. Sanchez

10. Trey

All of those lists are pretty spot on, IMO. Only gripe I would have is Roostifier hanging #5 on Ravelo, which seems too aggressive to me. But, aside from that, seems like we're all on the same page.

Just my opinion but I feel Ravelo is being way under rated considering his 2014 season, he's just 22 and going to start 2015 at Charlotte.

Just my opinion but I feel Ravelo is being way under rated considering his 2014 season, he's just 22 and going to start 2015 at Charlotte.

 

and the beauty part is as I always am saying, everyone is right.

 

it is great to get a different point of view with an explanation.

 

 

This is probably my same exact list too.

that is a money list, i would have Ravelo at 11 but spot on.

that is a money list, i would have Ravelo at 11 but spot on.

 

the thing I like, but at first was questioning my selection of Hawkins. but

I am glad that the group is in the same thinking.

 

Hawkins, I really thought he redeem himself and push his star to the top 10.

the thing I like, but at first was questioning my selection of Hawkins. but

I am glad that the group is in the same thinking.

 

Hawkins, I really thought he redeem himself and push his star to the top 10.

 

 

well, he was #1 coming into 2013, but that season pushed him back in almost everyone's minds....

well, he was #1 coming into 2013, but that season pushed him back in almost everyone's minds....

 

but no one gave up on him as posters have done with Davidson.

but no one gave up on him as posters have done with Davidson.

 

 

because he was a high school prospect with limited experience even at that level because of his football time/injuries...aggressively promoted perhaps too quickly, although his results were still pretty great overall in 2012 despite the obvious flaws in his hitting approach and pitch identification

Just my opinion but I feel Ravelo is being way under rated considering his 2014 season, he's just 22 and going to start 2015 at Charlotte.

 

If he played a competent 3B, I don't think you'd see anyone disagreeing. Hell, I think you can say the same thing for LF or RF. And it's not to say that he can't be a starting player at the MLB level with his current tools. The problem, from my perspective, is that he's limited almost entirely to 1B and for a 1B prospect to rise high, they have to have very high offensive ceilings (think Gallo, even if he's still at 3B) at the very minimum.

 

I really, really like Ravelo and think he will hit enough to make it to the majors and be a significant contributor, but if he doesn't and can't play any other positions, he's essentially late career Paul Konerko with no positional versatility, which usually means he's a AAAA player.

because he was a high school prospect with limited experience even at that level because of his football time/injuries...aggressively promoted perhaps too quickly, although his results were still pretty great overall in 2012 despite the obvious flaws in his hitting approach and pitch identification

 

there is no fine line for 2 different players. there should be 1 fine line and

all prospect should be gage as such.

 

just b/c a player has a lousy yr, the fans should not give up on that

player, but should be given a 2nd chance. however the org should need

to address the possibility of failure.

but no one gave up on him as posters have done with Davidson.

 

There were some.

If he played a competent 3B, I don't think you'd see anyone disagreeing. Hell, I think you can say the same thing for LF or RF. And it's not to say that he can't be a starting player at the MLB level with his current tools. The problem, from my perspective, is that he's limited almost entirely to 1B and for a 1B prospect to rise high, they have to have very high offensive ceilings (think Gallo, even if he's still at 3B) at the very minimum.

 

I really, really like Ravelo and think he will hit enough to make it to the majors and be a significant contributor, but if he doesn't and can't play any other positions, he's essentially late career Paul Konerko with no positional versatility, which usually means he's a AAAA player.

 

And there is pretty much no 1B prospect who is going to move the guy we have over there now off of 1B.