Rowand44 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 09:01 AM) I've read it, I touched on it above. I still think it's a very low strikeout number, even with predominantly fastball usage. QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 09:37 AM) Seconded. At some point the "he's working on something" explanations have to translate to results. Hoping it happens because the groundball rate is pretty good. I'm with you guys. This isn't a one year problem either, he just can't seem to miss bats no matter what he's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The pitching in the system is starting to look a lot better. Rodon, Adams, and Fry are great additions to Beck, Danish, and Montas. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The big problem I have with rating Beck high is that he has been declining in performance ever since his sophomore year. He is simply trending the wrong direction. I hope the working-on-a-pitch theory is the reason, but I am having a hard time buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) The big problem I have with rating Beck high is that he has been declining in performance ever since his sophomore year. He is simply trending the wrong direction. I hope the working-on-a-pitch theory is the reason, but I am having a hard time buying it. It might be stamina and conditioning more than a pitch thing. Need him to throw the fastball as a means of working him deeper and building strength. I think the thing on Beck was always the re-training of the body after taking the wrong workout routine, well maybe it's about loosening him up and making him work the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 1. Rodon 2. Mi Johnson 3. Danish 4. Montas 5. Sanchez 6. Adams 7. Beck 8. Anderson Are the guys that intrigue/excite me ATM and in that order. As far as rankings, who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Adam Lopez is one who could jump into top 10s when he's pitching again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) 1. Rodon 2. Mi Johnson 3. Danish 4. Montas 5. Sanchez 6. Adams 7. Beck 8. Anderson Are the guys that intrigue/excite me ATM and in that order. As far as rankings, who cares. You're joking about Anderson being the 8th most exciting player, right? Behind Sanchez, Beck and a guy who might never even sign with the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 After rethinking everything. This is my updated list 1. Carlos Rodon 2. Tim Anderson 3. Micah Johnson 4. Matt Davidson 5. Courtney Hawkins 6. Tyler Danish 7. Carlos Sanchez 8. Francellis Montas 9. Trey Michalczewski 10. Spencer Adams 11. Rangel Ravelo 12. Chris Beck 13. Trayce Thompson 14. Jeff Wendelken 15. Jacob May 16. Jace Fry 17. Myles Jaye 18. Thaddius Lowry 19. Cleious Rondon 20. Andrew Mitchell 21. Kyle Hansen 22. Keon Barnum 23. Brett Austin 24. Jefferson Olacio 25. Braulio Ortiz 26. Joey De Michele 27. Jordan Guererro 28. James Dykstra 29. Andre Wheeler 30. Scott Snodgress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 No Adolfo in top 30? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2014 -> 02:43 PM) No Adolfo in top 30? Totally forgot about him, he would probably be around 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 So I tried doing a top 20 and realized just how much deeper this system is. I only included a few of the draft picks and I didn't know where to put Micker Adolfo. Also, I am hoping that Huascar Ynoa will be added to the list. 1. Carlos Rodon LHP 2. Tim Anderson SS 3. Micah Johnson 2B 4. Courtney Hawkins OF 5. Spencer Adams RHP 6. Matt Davidson 3B 7. Francellis Montas RHP 8. Carlos Sanchez INF 9. Trey Michalczewski 3B 10. Rangel Ravelo 1B 11. Tyler Danish RHP 12. Chris Beck RHP 13. Trayce Thompson OF 14. Jace Fry LHP 15. Jacob May OF 16. Adam Engel OF 17. Cleuelis Rondon SS 18. Andrew Mitchell RHP 19. Keon Barnum 1B 20. Brad Goldberg RHP There are some guys that I left off. I remember when it was tough to come up with 20 White Sox prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) So I tried doing a top 20 and realized just how much deeper this system is. I only included a few of the draft picks and I didn't know where to put Micker Adolfo. Also, I am hoping that Huascar Ynoa will be added to the list. 1. Carlos Rodon LHP 2. Tim Anderson SS 3. Micah Johnson 2B 4. Courtney Hawkins OF 5. Spencer Adams RHP 6. Matt Davidson 3B 7. Francellis Montas RHP 8. Carlos Sanchez INF 9. Trey Michalczewski 3B 10. Rangel Ravelo 1B 11. Tyler Danish RHP 12. Chris Beck RHP 13. Trayce Thompson OF 14. Jace Fry LHP 15. Jacob May OF 16. Adam Engel OF 17. Cleuelis Rondon SS 18. Andrew Mitchell RHP 19. Keon Barnum 1B 20. Brad Goldberg RHP There are some guys that I left off. I remember when it was tough to come up with 20 White Sox prospects. I agree almost exactly with your list. I feel like you have Danish and Beck a little low, but I also can't really justify moving them above anybody except maybe Ravelo and Davidson if you're completely ignoring what he did before this year. It really is amazing how much better things look for the system right now compared to just a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Hence, all the Saladino love at the AAA level is a bit curious since he still can't even crack some of our Top 25-30 lists on say the 17th-20th ranked farm system in all of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) Hence, all the Saladino love at the AAA level is a bit curious since he still can't even crack some of our Top 25-30 lists on say the 17th-20th ranked farm system in all of baseball. He's been in our top 10 before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 1. Carlos Rodon 2. Tim Anderson 3. Micah Johnson 4. Matt Davidson 5. Courtney Hawkins 6. Francellius Montas 7. Trey Michalczewski 8. Carlos Sanchez 9. Spencer Adams 10. Adam Lopez 11. Tyler Danish 12. Rangelo Ravelo 13. Trayce Thompson 14. Micker Afolfo 15. Chris Beck 16. Myles Jaye 17. Jace Fry 18. Jacob May 19. Cledius Rodon 20. Adam Engel 21. Scott Snodgress 22. Andrew Mitchell 23. Brett Austin 24. Kevin Smith 25. Jeff Wendeken 26. Thadius Lowry 27. Keon Barnum 28. Kyle Hansen 29. Jordan Guererro 30. Jefferson Olacio Barnum and Thompson trending way down compared years past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxnGiants Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I'm assuming Semien no longer counts... otherwise he's #5. 1. Rodon 2. Anderson 3. Hawkins 4. Danish 5. Johnson 6. Montas 7. Adams 8. Davidson 9. Sanchez 10. Michalczewski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (SoxnGiants @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 08:21 AM) I'm assuming Semien no longer counts... otherwise he's #5. 1. Rodon 2. Anderson 3. Hawkins 4. Danish 5. Johnson 6. Montas 7. Adams 8. Davidson 9. Sanchez 10. Michalczewski I think this is about how I'd rank them too, perhaps Adams a little lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Why are we so high on Danish again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 09:40 AM) Why are we so high on Danish again? Because he's got an electric arm who throws a ton of ground balls and has enough stuff to strike people out. Right now, people assume he's a starting pitcher. If he ends up being a reliever, he'll fall down these lists but he can still be a valuable piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 09:40 AM) Why are we so high on Danish again? Because he is 19 years old in High-A Ball (nearly four years younger than the average player in the league) and is doing fine there. Lots of hits, but the K-to-BB is great and he induces a ton of ground balls. He also dominated Low-A ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 08:42 AM) Because he's got an electric arm who throws a ton of ground balls and has enough stuff to strike people out. Right now, people assume he's a starting pitcher. If he ends up being a reliever, he'll fall down these lists but he can still be a valuable piece. And yet all we keep hearing about Danish is that he's around 88-90 as a starter while Montas is 95-98. Also, about his throwing motion/arm angles and mechanics being unconventional, so he gets compared to Sale (being risky to project as a starter, not the overall quality or level of talent/ability). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 09:40 AM) Why are we so high on Danish again? Some of us are less high on him than others. What wite said all makes sense. Though for me, I have serious concerns about not only durability (translating to velocity), but also just plain stuff. I just don't see that 2/3 starter ceiling people put on him as anything more than an extreme best case. I think it is much more likely he's a 4th starter if his body holds up with that delivery, or a middle reliever if it doesn't. I could be wrong of course, and hope I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Even though this isn't exciting, I do think Danish has a floor as a great reliever. The arm slot would be jarring and sink on his pitches would be such a great tool to have for holds. That said, let him prove that he can't start. We also, kinda, need a #4 starter, and one we don't have to pay for. So I wouldn't be too disappointed if he ends up as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (SoxnGiants @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 08:21 AM) I'm assuming Semien no longer counts... otherwise he's #5. 1. Rodon 2. Anderson 3. Hawkins 4. Danish 5. Johnson 6. Montas 7. Adams 8. Davidson 9. Sanchez 10. Michalczewski I cannot fathom how Adams the high schooler who fell to the second round can be higher than Matt Davidson, the preseason top 100 prospect in AAA having his first bad season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 09:40 AM) Why are we so high on Danish again? Because he's a bleepin cyborg.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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