Absolutely love Soto's reaction here when Ozzie's kicks his mask lol

 

http://m.mlb.com/chc/video/topic/8878834/v...sixth/?c_id=chc

 

That was hilarious!

That was hilarious!

 

yeah he was laughing at that. even afterward while walking back. great.

So the Sox will have 6 catchers in camp to start ST: Flowers, Nieto, Kottaras, Brantly, Soto, Smith. Interesting collection.

 

the past couple of seasons, i am surprise the sox didn't use some of the vendors

to see if they couldn't man a position or pitch.

Fun fact: The White Sox have a pitching prospect who actually was a hot dog vendor at Comiskey/The Cell in their youth, and his mother worked in the park for some time as well. His name is Mike Recchia, Crestwood native.

 

So the Sox will have 6 catchers in camp to start ST: Flowers, Nieto, Kottaras, Brantly, Soto, Smith. Interesting collection.

 

 

Fun fact: The White Sox have a pitching prospect who actually was a hot dog vendor at Comiskey/The Cell in their youth, and his mother worked in the park for some time as well. His name is Mike Recchia, Crestwood native.

 

that is a fun fact.... i hope he makes it for that reason. thanks.

There's a chance this is the org's best catcher. Not saying a ton of course. I'm happy we have some depth now.

Ha, they've now acquired 2 of my least favorite Cubs players of the last decade (Shark/Soto)

At least they didn't sign Michael Barrett.

There's a chance this is the org's best catcher. Not saying a ton of course. I'm happy we have some depth now.

 

No way (at least I really hope so). He had a couple good years a long time ago, and hasn't been the same since he quit the juice.

There's a chance this is the org's best catcher. Not saying a ton of course. I'm happy we have some depth now.

Soto is not even close to Flowers, IMO.

No way (at least I really hope so). He had a couple good years a long time ago, and hasn't been the same since he quit the juice.

Tyler Flowers is a career .218 hitter with about a 35% strikeout rate. There is no catcher head and shoulders better than any other in the Sox system now.

Tyler Flowers is a career .218 hitter with about a 35% strikeout rate. There is no catcher head and shoulders better than any other in the Sox system now.

You might be right, but face it, Flowers today is a much better player than he was in his first couple of years here. I know he had a long stretch last year (a couple of months??) when he just could not hit, and he looked lost at the plate, but not behind it. Then, he came out of it the last two months or so. I can see a slight improvement for him in 2015.

You might be right, but face it, Flowers today is a much better player than he was in his first couple of years here. I know he had a long stretch last year (a couple of months??) when he just could not hit, and he looked lost at the plate, but not behind it. Then, he came out of it the last two months or so. I can see a slight improvement for him in 2015.

He could. He also could hit .180. He is the starter until someone beats him out, but I don't think it is a lock he is better than Soto in 2015, and obviously Soto isn't all that great.

 

Steamer projects Flowers at 0.8 WAR. Soto at 1.1.

Edited January 23, 201511 yr by Dick Allen

I'm with Dick Allen here -- at least Soto has shown he's capable of being an above-average bat. He's a long-shot to regain his form, but there's really no significant difference between him and Flowers right now if Soto is healthy.

He could. He also could hit .180. He is the starter until someone beats him out, but I don't think it is a lock he is better than Soto in 2015, and obviously Soto isn't all that great.

 

Steamer projects Flowers at 0.8 WAR. Soto at 1.1.

 

i can deal with 1 or 2 position being weak, hitting wise, if they provide a vital part to that

position. that is defense, esp if flowers provide good defense and calls a good game, then

i can deal with his lack of hitting.

 

on a side note, wasn't part of his improvement was b/c of he needed glasses or something

like that??

Alright. Let's find him some stuff he can't get caught with, and the sox will be in terrific shape.

Minor league deals like this are always nice. Ya never know

Wasn't Soto a big time prospect a few years ago? Like somebody said we usually sign pitchers like this. About time we signed a reclamation project at a position like catcher. If Soto is healthy, couldn't he beat out Flowers?

Soto was awesome in 2010. Since then, he's hit .223/.299/.394 for a .693 OPS. 38 HR in 1100 PAs

 

Kottaras since then .216/ .341/.425 .766 OPS. 22 HRs in 500 PAs. Those are pretty much exactly Kottaras' career splits against righties

I was at the game his rookie season when he hit 3 HR....I think against the Braves or Phillies.

 

That is all.

 

No, no you were not.

 

That is all.

I was at the game his rookie season when he hit 3 HR....I think against the Braves or Phillies.

 

That is all.

 

Soto has exactly zero career 3-home run games.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...otoge01&t=b

 

Soto has exactly zero career 3-home run games.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...otoge01&t=b

 

You shut your whore mouth.

You shut your whore mouth.

Such a complentarian- you are. Signed, he who invents words.

 

Thanks, hi8is.

You shut your whore mouth.

 

can't we all be friends.....

 

seriously, you are one of the better posters. not everyone will agree in

100% of all post and replies.

 

peace.

Soto was awesome in 2010. Since then, he's hit .223/.299/.394 for a .693 OPS. 38 HR in 1100 PAs

 

Kottaras since then .216/ .341/.425 .766 OPS. 22 HRs in 500 PAs. Those are pretty much exactly Kottaras' career splits against righties

Last three years, their offensive numbers are remarkably similar. Soto separates himself a little with the peripheral stuff. Have to imagine Flowers has the edge for defense/familiarity with staff.

 

Geo Soto: .219/.291/.381, 81 wRC+, 8.9 BB%, 24.5 K%

Flow Flow: .222/.281/.381, 82 wRC+, 5.9 BB%, 35.5 K%

Last three years, their offensive numbers are remarkably similar. Soto separates himself a little with the peripheral stuff. Have to imagine Flowers has the edge for defense/familiarity with staff.

 

Geo Soto: .219/.291/.381, 81 wRC+, 8.9 BB%, 24.5 K%

Flow Flow: .222/.281/.381, 82 wRC+, 5.9 BB%, 35.5 K%

 

The two drastic differences there are the walk and k rate, which I'm guessing means that Flowers BABIP has been 40 or so points higher than Soto's.

 

Strangely, I'm not sure how to look at guys' stats over a custom period of time.

 

EDIT: Figured it out -- Flowers = .315, Soto = .262

 

Here's a custom leaderboard comparing those two from 2012-2014 if anyone is interested: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...ayers=9134,3707

Edited January 23, 201511 yr by Eminor3rd

The two drastic differences there are the walk and k rate, which I'm guessing means that Flowers BABIP has been 40 or so points higher than Soto's.

 

Strangely, I'm not sure how to look at guys' stats over a custom period of time.

 

EDIT: Figured it out -- Flowers = .315, Soto = .262

Bah, I was all set to drop knowledge before I saw your edit, but I'm gonna do it anyway. For something like this during an offseason you can go to the Fangraphs leaderboards and select Past 3 Calendar Years as the split. For something a little less cut-and-dry you go into the player's game log, hit All Dates, and then customize the dates you want from there. The second way is easily one of my favorite features on the site.