but none ready to carry a heavy workload let alone pitch extremely well in a playoff hunt.

Shields is heavily overrated and not WORTH the money. Why do you want us to take on another bad contract? We've already got Danks.

Shields is heavily overrated and not WORTH the money. Why do you want us to take on another bad contract? We've already got Danks.

 

i agree with you, but considering he is the last somewhat good sp, he is the only option..... but not more than 3 yrs.

 

can you envision, come wild card series, Sale has pitched 200 innings as well as Q and Jeff S. you going to need to run out a pitcher for a tie game. Rodon has pitched 150 + innings.... up next, Beck, Erik Johnson, Hector.

i agree with you, but considering he is the last somewhat good sp, he is the only option..... but not more than 3 yrs.

 

can you envision, come wild card series, Sale has pitched 200 innings as well as Q and Jeff S. you going to need to run out a pitcher for a tie game. Rodon has pitched 150 + innings.... up next, Beck, Erik Johnson, Hector.

Um... the wild card series is 1 game. And the Giants just won the WS with 3 pitchers

Shields is heavily overrated and not WORTH the money. Why do you want us to take on another bad contract? We've already got Danks.

Yup, this right here. ^^

 

If the Sox did not have the contract of Danks, I can see a much more realistic case to be made for Shields but even then I would not go beyond 3 years guaranteed and MAYBE a fourth year team option. Too many if's and the Sox still have Danks so Shields is just not realistic, at all.

 

No chance JR goes after a 33 year starting pitcher that's looking for 4-5 years guaranteed. Accept it Sox fans.

Edited January 29, 201511 yr by StRoostifer

Um... the wild card series is 1 game. And the Giants just won the WS with 3 pitchers

 

ok you got me, i was typing to fast, i meant the sox made it in as a wild card. during a playoff series.

 

can you envision, come wild card series, Sale has pitched 200 innings as well as Q and Jeff S. you going to need to run out a pitcher for a tie game. Rodon has pitched 150 + innings.... up next, Beck, Erik Johnson, Hector.

 

btw, last yr is one thing, we are talking about a all different situation.

Edited January 29, 201511 yr by LDF

i agree with you, but considering he is the last somewhat good sp, he is the only option..... but not more than 3 yrs.

 

can you envision, come wild card series, Sale has pitched 200 innings as well as Q and Jeff S. you going to need to run out a pitcher for a tie game. Rodon has pitched 150 + innings.... up next, Beck, Erik Johnson, Hector.

 

So Hahn is going to pay a guy like Shields 100 mil going under the assumed hypothetical situation that none of our top 3 will be able to pitch in a deciding WC game?

I can think of about one hundred million hang ups personally.

 

exactly. Shields wants a long term contract of at least $100M. He is up their in age. Make it like 3 or 4 years max at about $14M and it's more realistic. Not sure we have that extra money anyway and we are sitting pretty darn good pitching wise right now

Edited January 29, 201511 yr by elrockinMT

So Hahn is going to pay a guy like Shields 100 mil going under the assumed hypothetical situation that none of our top 3 will be able to pitch in a deciding WC game?

 

i never said 100 for 4 or more yrs, and i am not a fan of shields. but with nothing out there, and again not for 4 or more yrs, yes. the sox screw this up when they had a chance to do more, in the beginning of the fa season.

Some of the stuff in here is crazy

 

Shields is heavily overrated and not WORTH the money. Why do you want us to take on another bad contract? We've already got Danks.

 

Heavily overrated? The guy's been a 4 WAR pitcher each of the last 4 years and I don't see him suddenly falling off a cliff at this point. I imagine he'll be a good starter each of the next 2 years and a league average starter the 2 years after that. The 5th year could get ugly. If we're using projections to determine win totals, we have to use projections to figure that James Shields isn't going to turn into junk because he's 33.

 

exactly. Shields wants a long term contract of at least $100M. He is up their in age. Make it like 3 or 4 years max at about $14M and it's more realistic. Not sure we have that extra money anyway and we are sitting pretty darn good pitching wise right now

 

Ervin Santana signed a 4 year contract worth $14 million. James Shields is a much better pitcher than Ervin Santana.

i never said 100 for 4 or more yrs, and i am not a fan of shields. but with nothing out there, and again not for 4 or more yrs, yes. the sox screw this up when they had a chance to do more, in the beginning of the fa season.

 

Again, you just presented a scenario where Shields is needed in a 5 game series presuming that the top 3 pitchers can't pitch. You really think this hypothetical is worth throwing a terrible contract at Shields?

Again, you just presented a scenario where Shields is needed in a 5 game series presuming that the top 3 pitchers can't pitch. You really think this hypothetical is worth throwing a terrible contract at Shields?

 

a very good point, but let think of it this way. his value is to help get the team there, give ample rest to the 3 top sp's bridge the season while helping prepare the team for the playoff. this team as built, can do alot of special things come playoff. but the team needs to get there and healthy.

a very good point, but let think of it this way. his value is to help get the team there, give ample rest to the 3 top sp's bridge the season while helping prepare the team for the playoff. this team as built, can do alot of special things come playoff. but the team needs to get there and healthy.

 

The money needed for this insurance policy is just not worth it. I would rather the insurance policy be Rodon or Montas if Noesi/Danks fail

The money needed for this insurance policy is just not worth it. I would rather the insurance policy be Rodon or Montas if Noesi/Danks fail

 

let me ask you, are we still talking about shields??? i am kind of lose here.

let me ask you, are we still talking about shields??? i am kind of lose here.

 

Yes. You are presenting Shields as a insurance policy in case the top three need a breather. Shields paycheck (theoretical paycheck) is probably going to be somewhere between 14 and 20 mil. No I don't think he will get 20 mil per, but you never know.

 

Why would you want to pay someone that kind of money just to give your top three a breather late in the season? That just doesn't make sense

Yes. You are presenting Shields as a insurance policy in case the top three need a breather. Shields paycheck (theoretical paycheck) is probably going to be somewhere between 14 and 20 mil. No I don't think he will get 20 mil per, but you never know.

 

Why would you want to pay someone that kind of money just to give your top three a breather late in the season? That just doesn't make sense

 

thanks for correcting my confusion. shield paycheck is the unknown. i will admit that. but i think without giving up prospects. so let me ask this, if shields can bridge as the example i stated, what would you be willing to pay to get to that position where we are in the playoff with a chance to go further.

 

remember 1 thing, they had shields pitching in what part of the rotation??? can you imagine pitching him #4 or 5 and have better coaching control of the situation???

as everyone knows on this site, i am a huge Robin Ventura backer, i trust him to do a great job in coaching, esp with his assistants.

 

this team has the possibility of surprising alot of so call experts.

Who would you want pitching on the White Sox, Shields, Danks or Noesi? If the White Sox are serious about contending in 2015 Shields is a no brainer. The White Sox will not make the 2015 Playoffs with a bottom of the rotation of Noesi and Danks.

Who would you want pitching on the White Sox, Shields, Danks or Noesi? If the White Sox are serious about contending in 2015 Shields is a no brainer. The White Sox will not make the 2015 Playoffs with a bottom of the rotation of Noesi and Danks.

 

the sox needs pitching, we can't be choosy in pitching. but this whole thing is moot. remember... the sox do not have the money nor have the budget for this.

Some of the stuff in here is crazy

 

 

 

Heavily overrated? The guy's been a 4 WAR pitcher each of the last 4 years and I don't see him suddenly falling off a cliff at this point. I imagine he'll be a good starter each of the next 2 years and a league average starter the 2 years after that. The 5th year could get ugly. If we're using projections to determine win totals, we have to use projections to figure that James Shields isn't going to turn into junk because he's 33.

 

 

 

Ervin Santana signed a 4 year contract worth $14 million. James Shields is a much better pitcher than Ervin Santana.

 

Ok not "heavily" overrated, but he's overrated in the same way Shark is. They're very, very similar pitchers. You're right though, that Shields has been better than I remembered. I missed a lot of last season being away on a ship

 

EDIT: In what world is he a 4 WAR pitcher? BP never has him above 3.0 and that was his sophomore season

Edited January 30, 201511 yr by Reddy

Although in the spirit of being consistent, BP projects a regression for Shields, too 1.6 WAR

My real question is why we didn't sign Chad Billingsley for 1.5 MM like the Phillies just did.

My real question is why we didn't sign Chad Billingsley for 1.5 MM like the Phillies just did.

 

b/c the sox do not have the money and they spent their budget.

b/c the sox do not have the money and they spent their budget.

You're seriously equating 1.5MM with 20MM?

 

huh.

My real question is why we didn't sign Chad Billingsley for 1.5 MM like the Phillies just did.

By my count that's the 155th player the Sox have missed out on. Shameful.

By my count that's the 155th player the Sox have missed out on. Shameful.

agreed